It's not. Because SSJ Blue is Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan combined.Originally Posted by MFauli
Now, logically, that means you should be able to go Blue 2 and Blue 3 by combining SSJ2 and 3 with SSJG.
It's not. Because SSJ Blue is Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan combined.
Now, logically, that means you should be able to go Blue 2 and Blue 3 by combining SSJ2 and 3 with SSJG.
My problem with this is that they do not go Super Saiyan to go SSB. They go from Normal form to SSB. In order to reach SSB they had to train their normal form without SSJ. Either this is a very serious overlooked retcon/continuity error or Toriyama needs to come up with some other reason to fix this mess. If I can see the error here, most other probably are as well, I mean those in Japan who matter.
As far as I can understand SSB and SSJG, SSJG should be infinitely better over SSB. That's just from the information in the anime and manga. So either the studio or Toriyama forgot their reasoning behind SSB and are now trying to change it mid story, which makes zero sense even in the long run.
THIS is a fact and has been established that SSB is only Ki control, nothing more. SSJG was almost on Par with Beerus. SSB was puss factor mode in the beginning. Training will make SSB strong, they are overlooking many factors by neglecting SSJG, which after all that normal mode training and Ki control training, should put SSJG beyond Beerus and whis at this point in the story.
what error are you even talking about?
we now talk about SSB, but before the easier name goku and vegeta had trouble coming with a normal name that would be easy for goku to say... so what we have so far was:
Normal Saiyan<Super Saiyan<Super Saiyan 2< Super Saiyan 3<Super Saiyan God< Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (blue)< Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Kaio Ken
they never said that blue was weaker than red... they even said that to become blue you need to master red first and apply the same training to super saiyan... but because going up the numbers of super saiyan means getting less ki control and using saiyan god means controlling as much ki as possible then it creates this conflict where they have hard time getting more power ups...
by the way this is why kaioken is back also, because kaio ken meant controlling ki then it was incompatible with the normal super saiyan but now that they can go super saiyan while controlling ki then goku can combine kaio ken with super saiyan...
I understand all that. My point is, their Ki control is done in their base form and their entire training is done in base form for SSB. NO where during their training with whis did they use SSJ to try and master KI control. I think some of you might be trying to connect something that is not even there. That is why I said there is now a continuity error concerning the SSJG and SSB. Something that is either overlooked or that Toei or Toryiama will be addressing in the future as to why SSJ is never even mentioned when they trained with whis on Ki control to become SSB. They don't have to go through SSJ to become SSB, like they have to go SSJ to become SJ2 or SSJ3. Another error that I think some in the DBS community might be trying to connect to SSJ so it can make sense to them even though SSJ was never mentioned as to needing to go SSB. From the previous episodes I watched is the proper translation "It's like SSJGOD and SSSJ combined together to become SSB" That does not mean they are connected in anyway shape or form. That is more of a description than any actual training.
They are comparing SSB to needing both SSJ and SSJG to be COMPARABLE to SSB in terms of power. I honestly don't see it saying that SSB is the power up form of SSJ and SSJG together to be SSB. That is a description to how strong SSB is. I think some in the community are confusing that with "OHHH SSJ and SSJG = SSB" when Goku and Vegeta don't even go SSJ to go SSB like they do to reach SSJ3. They completely skip that step.
Pretty sure SSJG should be infinitely stronger now due to their base form training and their Ki control mastery. That's my view on it with all the information available. if I am wrong, Toei/Toriyama need to address these errors.
Instead of continuing to post about the differences between the anime and the manga in this thread,
I've decided to make a Dragon Ball Super thread in the manga forum.
To be fair, I don't think you can accurately say WHAT their training entails, because you don't get to see very much of it. They were training with Whis for months and the anime only shows a couple of scenes of it.
They don't even show the first time Goku or Vegeta discover SSJ Blue. It's revealed during the Freeza fight after they'd already unlocked it. So you can't say for sure WHAT kind of training they were doing when they actually unlocked Blue for the first time.
You are the first person on the internet I've encountered that didn't think SSJ Blue was just activating SSJ and SSJ God at the same time.
The characters say it. The wikis say it. You're the only person I've seen who thinks it's just a metaphor used to describe the comparable power levels involved.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 06-06-2017 at 12:59 AM.
That makes it the Super Dragon Ball Super Thread.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
True I understand that. Whis words though was that it is better for them to train their base form, now we can extrapolate from that statement if you wish, if you want to nitpick here. It took Vegeta 6 months to with solo training with whis to unlock SSB. Did he even unlock SSJG before SSB? The anime does not mention. We can go with the movie first since the anime recovered the Battle of Gods and RoF arcs to make them canon and go from there if that makes you happy? Probably not since some are going with the Manga and the Manga is behind the anime. The Manga may change some things in the future like they apparently did for the SSB and SSJG.
Goku and Vegeta themselves compared SSB as SSJG and SSJ combined.... SSJGSSJ was used in the beginning of RoF arc and that form was very weak compared to the Battle of God's SSJG form. I can't see Toriyama and Toei to go from that Red form that stood 80 % evenly to Beerus 100 % to SSB that Beerus knocked around like he was swatting flies. You understand what I am saying yet? Continuity error?
This is why I believe they should revisit the SSJG to fix these errors. Based on the testimony of the characters themselves on Ki control and the forms. SSJG should be very superior to SSB now. SSJG should suprass both Beerus and Whis after all their training. If not, then Toriyama and Toei should revisit this and fix it and then dumb both forms down to fix the errors that the movie and the first 23/24 anime episodes have caused. I don't read the Manga and it is behind, if they do change it in the Manga, then they should do the proper thing and address it in the anime as well.
Go back to the episode 18 around 17:20 to 18:04. I think they need re-address these statements. Granted some will say it was in the Manga but since is behind the anime, they should address such changes in the anime as well. Statements like that is going against the entire DBS community's belief on how SSB and SSJG works.
Please don't. The argument is alreadyDragon BallSUPER boring...
Peace.
You could call it that. I'd just chalk that up to the general inconsistency of how power is displayed in Dragon Ball.
SSJ Blue is the form AFTER SSJ God. So if it really was weaker, there's no reason why they'd keep not using SSJ God against enemies like Hit and Zamasu. You never see SSJ God again because they immediately found a stronger form.
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