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    I'd rather spend my 20 minutes ogling this (Sankaku link. The content is not NSFW, but the ads are.) instead of watching this show nowadays.

    EDIT:
    The whole assassination thing suffered from both poor writing and direction. I'm not sure if the text was detailed enough to look this idiotic, but it is the director's job to fix issues like this. See the recent Fate adaptations for reference.

    To be fair, all these attempts at Lelei's life are so stupid I don't think any director could fix them enough to be palatable.

    I hope Pina gets raped by her guards. I mean, she deserves it for being so stupid and spoiled. She even insulted her captor by pointing out her race! She had it coming, alright.

    This show also suffers greatly from the lack of a capable antagonist. Every enemy is, well, as stupid as the dragon...
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    This show is such sexist scum, itīs outrageous. IF YOUīRE FEMALE, YOUīRE IMMUNE TO PUNISHMENT!

    Seriously, wtf?!
    Why does this Nonra bitch get to live? She was hit by 100s of spells, she sould be dead and deservedly so!
    Same goes for, whatīs her name, Shandy? That bitch doesnīt even feel for her murder attempt after getting stopped and demands in everybodyīs presence to kill Leilei. "Fuck Leile, Pina is more important!". As she says herself, she isnīt being tricked. Thatīs truly what she thinks. Kill somebody whoīs worth less to save somebody whoīs worth more. Why is she not harshly punished?!

    Then you have those ridiculous lady knights. From what it looked like, they were outnumbered at least 2:1, rather 3:1. How are the keeping their position?! This is such bullshit. "Weīre pretty, so weīre stronger!" No other explanation to be found.

    And now the JSDF will officially intervene. *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn* Once again the JSDF showcases its imperialistic bullshit.

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    Also fuck Pina. See, Kraco, this is where youīre simply wrong. Painting a picture where Zolzal is sooo bad and evil. Guess what, if the Empire had been such a healthy place all along, none of that shit could happen now. Those lifeless looking prison guards? They didnīt come into existence yesterday. Pina at best simply ignored how rotten her homeplace is. Sheīs the worst, a dumb, naive, uncaring aristocratic bitch that tries to act all high and mighty when itīs not her call anymore.
    And no idea why you think Tyuule acts out of her league. Sheīs Zolzalīs right hand as I predicted :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Then you have those ridiculous lady knights. From what it looked like, they were outnumbered at least 2:1, rather 3:1. How are the keeping their position?! This is such bullshit. "Weīre pretty, so weīre stronger!" No other explanation to be found.
    They already said in the episode the imperial troops had no moral and motivation. They didn't want to fight. So, they fought extremely poorly and only because they are afraid their families would suffer if they didn't at least seem like they were fighting. This is what happens when the coup isn't carefully planned and slow enough. The troops and the general attitude among the population isn't yet so bad that ordinary soldiers would slaughter their own fellow (human) citizens without so much as a blink. It was only the death squad that could do that. They were probably former inmates or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Also fuck Pina. See, Kraco, this is where youīre simply wrong. Painting a picture where Zolzal is sooo bad and evil. Guess what, if the Empire had been such a healthy place all along, none of that shit could happen now. Those lifeless looking prison guards? They didnīt come into existence yesterday. Pina at best simply ignored how rotten her homeplace is. Sheīs the worst, a dumb, naive, uncaring aristocratic bitch that tries to act all high and mighty when itīs not her call anymore.
    And no idea why you think Tyuule acts out of her league. Sheīs Zolzalīs right hand as I predicted :P
    When did I ever say it was a good place? The old emperor was also a villain who managed to get all of the nearby kings to thrown their armies against the Japanese to greatly weaken their power. He also allowed Zolzal to wage his genocide war campaigns. Who knows what else happened during his reign. However, it was still a much better place than right now for the human citizens.

    Tyuule is a nonhuman slave. Her people have no rights whatsoever. Only humans have any rights. Currently only those humans that don't resist Zolzal's (that is, Tyuule's) plans at all. She's a contradiction. She only gained her position because Zolzal has the wits of a rubber boot but an ambition the size of a mountain, so he's constantly relying on her because alone he would have no idea what to do. Too bad he's so stupid he doesn't even realise what Tyuule is doing is destroying his realm.

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    When Zolzal wins at the end, Iīll accept your apology!

    (yeah, yeah, Itami and his harem are immune to failure ... )

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    Episode 23 - HS




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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    When Zolzal wins at the end, Iīll accept your apology!
    It doesn't really look like Zolzal is winning anything. He can't wipe his own ass anymore without asking Tyuule first. It's getting really funny now when Tyuule doesn't even bother to act like a slave in front of Zolzal himself, let alone anyone else. Zolzal is so hopelessly stupid that he needs her input for any single decision, so she can afford to act like this and straightforwardly suggest suicidal actions with no need to try to mask them as anything else. I'd be quite surprised, though, if Tyuule was totally satisfied with allowing someone else to kill Zolzal if and when her plans are nearing the finish line. Surely she wants to be the one to do the last deed, and preferably so slowly that she'll have time to explain to him how she used him to destroy his own empire.

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    I think Mfauli was just kidding the entire time and just stating what he wishes would happen. Everyone knows Zolzal is gonna get this kinda treatment sooner or later.

    Pina is seriously overreacting. They keep slaves all in those rooms all the time...
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    Why is Gotwoot offline so often? Not the first time it was unavailable for several days. I have to try and channel my reaction from when I just got done watching this. Uh.

    This anime was written by the most obnoxious feminazi, wasnīt it?! This was maybe the worst episode in anime in ... forever. Kraco, please explain to me how this episode was fun to watch. Please. I cannot see it. So we have stupid Zolzal (who turned out to be as stupid as he was shown in the beginnin; so much for my hope thereīd be a surprise) and his helpless soldiers getting slaughtered by the JSDF, accompanied with glorifying music and ... weīre supposed to cheer for that? To find that exciting?!

    This series has it ultra backwards when it comes to tension, excitement and drama. Because there never was. The one chance for drama was when loli girl hoped to be saved by Sugawara-sama, but even then the anime just shat on realistic behavior and had the sitation resolved within minutes of it occurring. No tension, no excitement. And now this episode. WOOHOO, thousands of male knights are slaughtered without the slightest chance of fighting back, while female soldiers and the lady knights all survive. Of course, Zolzal gets ridiculed, too, and Tyuule gets what she wants. Then this JSDF leader waits for NO reason, only to maw down another 100 soldiers to save Beefeater and Blondie.

    And then Iīve probably forgotten about some shit that deserves to be called out. Oh, how about stupid ass Pina? As shinta said, sheīs just in prison, dumb bitch. Although it makes no sense why the JSDF wouldnīt just go in an free her. Itīs not like there is any resistance.

    Fuck this shit, fuck this anime.

    I really canīt tell if this is the most obnoxious feminazi power fantasie, or if the author is the biggest egotistical white knight and just went like "alright, I am Itami. I get the girls, I save them from the evil guys, and they love me forever. Ok, letīs start working!" :|

    Kraco, again, please tell me how that was enjoyable. And donīt you dare reply with "it was fun to see Zolzal losing", because that was so obvious from the start, there cannot have been ANY satisfaction about that. When Light loses at the end of Death Note, when the king loses at the end of Code Geass, when Ganon loses at the end of The Legend of Zelda, THAT is fun to witness, because these enemies were competent, they put up a fight, so beating them down feels good (although Iīm a Light-fan). This episode was as if I killed ants. Except when I kill thousands of ants, Iīm not celebrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Kraco, again, please tell me how that was enjoyable. And donīt you dare reply with "it was fun to see Zolzal losing", because that was so obvious from the start, there cannot have been ANY satisfaction about that.
    Nah, the gradual progress of watching Tyuule use Zolzal to destroy his own empire is the entertaining part. Zolzal has an ego the size of Mount Everest, but the wits the size of a single grain of sand from a beach. The empire was handed to him by Tyuule, and he was all ecstatic and immediately launched his petty tyranny thinking he's the greatest man... on whatever planet it is. Yet most of his actions were in fact designed by Tyuule to ruin the very empire, not make it stronger like Zolzal was all the time imagining. How is that not funny?

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    I think the show is trying to get sympathy from the viewers as fellow denizens of the modern (Japanese) era, so you root for the JSDF because you are part of their team, not the other world's.

    Good or bad, I don't think the show ever wanted show any tension in these kinds of scenes. It's intended to be a one-sided massacre to satisfy pawnage fantasies.
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    I celebrated when I killed thousands of ants because those ants were being fuckers and biting my balls in my sleep. I used to think badly about it but getting bitten again drove that thought away.

    The idea is that you feel the same way about the prince taking political prisoners and shit. Your disappointment was bound to happen since your hope in Zolzal x Tyuule was founded on nothing but your own hope. Evidence all points otherwise. It was bound to happen.

    Pina wasn't rescued since JSDF didn't know about her. They were to evacuate Jade palace primarily, along with other supporters. The princess was supposed to be safe in her palace with the prince.

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    So you think this was an enjoyable anime, because one helpless villain got defeated? Because thatīs what it comes down to.

    Would Death Note have been as great, if L had caught Light in episode 1 from him posting on Twitter "awesome, I found this book that can kill people I write in it!"?

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    I liked you better when you rooted for Squealer. At least he was intelligent and had his own manner of agency.

    Now you're just whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    I liked you better when you rooted for Squealer. At least he was intelligent and had his own manner of agency.

    Now you're just whining.
    Blame the author :/

    @Kraco: Coming from the above, can we at least agree that the author fucked up and made Zolzal a dumb character? As an author, it is your job to tell an exciting story. Making the enemy so helpless and disoriented made for no excitement at all. This anime pretty much went like the most boring prediction would have gone after seeing the first 2 episodes. No highs and lows. It was a constant level of mediocrity.

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    Not because but how. One evil character defeats another evil character. There's certain style in that. The role the Japanese had in that was like the role a natural disaster. Besides, Zolzal could have become a solid emperor just fine, had he used his own head or those of capable advisors. But unfortunately he's so brainless he made an enemy of the state his highest confidant and got rid of all the actually wise and skillful people. But then again, even Numenoreans did that, so it happens to better people as well.

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    Sure. A semi-intelligent villain being fooled by a highly intelligent villain would have naturally been all the better. However, that's quite a bit more challenging writing for the author, plus it would have likely required more time. This show has such a load of characters that there isn't much time for Tyuule to build complicated plots. So, the plots needed to be simple and consequently the person falling for the plots needed to be an idiot.

    But then again, these things were never of much importance to the story to begin with. This story is foremost about the naively depicted awesomeness of the Japanese self-defence forces and the asskickery of the expert of every field Itami. Considering these things it would be against the intentions and goals of the author to write a really challenging villain. For the Japanese military to look absolutely the best, the opponents need to act like evil chimpanzees.

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    This show just fell flat for me. I used to enjoy it a lot more, but the developments became inane and predictable as it went on. Who didn't see this latest episode's development 4 episodes away?
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    It just slows down as the show doesn't want to show us Guns on Plebs. Which is a shame as it sucks away the pacing from the first half of the series.

    Just blow shit up already.

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    Episode 24 Final - HS



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    Quite a relaxed episode all in all. Now it was made even more obvious that the Japanese can do whatever they want, and they don't even need many men and lots of vehicles for it. By the looks of it Zolzal as well realised it. I'm not quite sure what was going on in Tyuule's head, though. Maybe she realised living for revenge alone isn't worth it. Or to be specific it's not living at all.

    The best part of the episode were absolutely all the couples, including, of course, Delilah and Yanagida. The show did know how to deliver right there.

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    The empire is doomed with Pina becoming queen one day.

    Sleep magic is ridiculously imba. It's better than offensive magic because you can use it covertly and then kill the sleeping enemies. Spells like this need proper limitations in a story else it becomes a stupid plot device, like here.

    Tyuule tearing up at the end is stupid and cliche. Why can't there be avengers that are actually satisfied at the end?

    WTF at the assassin and the victim getting together. Everyone else was cool though. GJ on loli bride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Tyuule tearing up at the end is stupid and cliche. Why can't there be avengers that are actually satisfied at the end?
    When Zozal first has a bit of gunshot PTSD in the carriage, it cuts to Tyuule and she wavers on her horse a little bit. For a second I thought the JSDF had used the info they got from Delilah to assassinate the actual mastermind behind the coup and increasing instability. Who would care if a "slave" was shot? I even thought it might have been Delilah using a loaned weapon under the supervision of the JSDF.

    But no, she was just wavering around for no reason.

    Wasted opportunity to end the series on an interesting note.

    Quote Originally Posted by Munsu View Post
    I also thought that it was a disservice to have Itami and his group removed from the action through much of the second season.
    Overall, I'd say Itami and the main three girls were by far the worst part of this season. They're boring characters with almost no more room for character development. Their arcs were all done from basically the first episode, except for some silly cleanup here and there. The better episodes were the ones where they were featured the least.

    - The dragon arc was stupid from Tuka's standpoint and her still calling him "Dad" is creepy as fuck.
    - Lelei was sidelined in her "own" arc (which is still about Pina when you get down to it), left unfinished, and her sister is more interesting than she is.
    - A potential arc for Rory at the end of the dragon arc was also left to die, never mentioned again.
    - Itami hasn't had any character development since last season during the scenes with his ex-wife.
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