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    Not particularly. It'd just mean that their super friendly relationship would be justified, whereas a by-marriage relationship would seem really weird if it wasn't actually romantic.

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    They were banging on the side. That's what'll piss the emperor off later.
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    Episode 18 - HS





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    For the first time I felt like I disliked Haku. He was always a lazy whiner, but I thought amongst all that he still had some principles. But now he accepted a mission to participate in a war of invasion even though he was so much against taking part in a defensive war earlier. Not to mention it's not just some random country but poor Kuon's home country. It's surprising Oshutoru even had the audacity to ask for it.

    It's equally surprising Kuon didn't leave for home right away. Karura as well.

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    I think Haku has an ulterior motive in mind, participating in this fight. I'm just not exactly sure what his lazy plan is, and I'm not sure he does either. That's why he was so desperately searching for Kuon, he needs her to come too to pull it off. He knows exactly how much it would torture her in taking Yamato's side. He's going to intervene, that's why he was whining so much about his suffering and having to work.

    If he was going to do something stupid, or something that would cause Kuon to suffer, there's no question that Karura would have killed him that night. Instead she just threw him through the barn's roof.
    (It might have been Kuon, she's real strong too, but I definitely think it was Karura)

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    I sure hope so. Furthermore, I hope it really is his plan from the beginning and not just something he's hoping will happen but will leave for the plot to sort out conveniently. I simply feel it's kind of dodgy this was because he accepted a mission to deliver supplies to the invading forces. It would have been a lot cleaner if he had simply hit the road with Kuon (and anybody following) to do something about it on his own. Now if he fails the supply mission, he also fails his promise to Oshutoru. If he hadn't accepted it, he would be merely doing whatever he wanted. It's not like he would be a Yamato subject either and thus owing any allegiance to the emperor. In fact he's not a citizen of any current nation.

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    Being the next god, he is actually in the best position to negotiate peace. I'm surprised his bro is even allowing him to go to war.
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    His bro is probably surprised that Haku is bothering to do anything at all, so he's not trying to stop that historical show of activity. I'm more surprised the emperor apparently didn't tell his generals that they shouldn't hurt Haku. Without the twins, Vurai would have already killed Haku, on purpose no less. Actually I wonder what the twins would do if Haku clearly opposed the emperor's will.

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    -I don't think the Emperor knows Haku is going to war, unless the twins actively reported that to him. Oshitoru sent Haku on his own accord IMO.

    -Haku is going to resupply because without doing so would kill Kiuru and Munechika. If he could save them without participating in the war he would, but right now this is the best course of action he can take. Peace talks with Tsukuru can come after he saves his friends.

    -What's the deal with the fat general? He's given that spot out of courtesy, but all the other generals have transforming masks. You can't honestly expect someone of his character to carry a mask, or sit silently while all the other generals hold superior items.

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    And Haku doesn't give a shit about Tuskuru outside of it being Kuon's homeland, right? It'd be strange for him to take the other side in this case. I think brokering peace is a good idea though. He's one of the few ones left who seem to value it.
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    The problem with saving Munechika is that once she's saved, she will again push deeper to attack Tuskuru all the more, killing more and more of Kuon's countrymen who are only trying to defend their homes. It's not like she would turn back and retreat after having learned her lesson. Saving Munechika equals to attacking Tuskuru.

    If he doesn't give a shit about Tuskuru, then it's all fine and swell, but I hope in that case the series ends with Kuon slitting Haku's throat and being done with it. She saved his life, so it's hers to end as well.

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    Episode 19 - HS




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    I can't help but continue to be annoyed by Haku's decision to participate in this totally unnecessary and stupid war. He doesn't even fricking know why they are fighting. Tuskuru is quite merciful to spare that one cart in order to spare the MCs.

    I hope the attack fails so that Dekoponpo will lose his head. Although his efforts to ruin Yamato's war efforts are in fact very welcome, he's still a waste of lard.

    At least I could enjoy Atui and her doting old man's meeting.

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    This situation makes no sense. Most of the 8 generals are imba, even compared to Tuskuru's forces. Why do they even need soldiers? Just send in a general, use a mask, and wreak havoc. I don't remember anyone in the Tuskuru forces outside of Hakuoro's mask form able to match these guys, who chop mountains from afar and create giant movable barriers (and that's their normal form).

    Haku doesn't make sense, but Kuon makes even less. If she feels she wants to stop the war, then she should tell that to the people going with her, including Haku. Maybe then he'll use his immense political influence as the successor to God to stop the war.

    Oh, right, I forgot to mention, this makes no sense.
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    Lelouch himself should have been able to win again Tuskuru with just soldier placement. I agree that this makes no sense.

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    So apparently everything does make sense. Tusukuru is using magix to stop the mask powers, and apparently, the masks only give one kind of power to each general. Munechika had that barrier thing, while Vurai had the God form. In that case, wouldn't Vurai's God form be ineffective in the land of Tusukuru?

    And did the emperor really die? I'm guessing this is just the guy's scheme, but I'd find it really interesting if the two Tuskurian spies in Yamato killed him. Will Haku avenge his brother in that case?
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    Tsukuru spies? Am I forgetting some 30 second scene, or are you attempting to refer to Karura and Touka?

    Those two created an inn in Yamato, because they wanted to wander, same as Kuon. Karura spends all day and night drinking, and Touka acts as one of the maids.With Hakuoro...whatever he is doing (slumbering?), they had no reason to stay in Tsukuru. That's not spying, that's fleeing with the intent to stay distracted and not be tortured by memories of "home."

    Munechika is no slouch, but I feel like she was hindered by her own weapon. Her meteor clawhammer is meant for diving in and scattering things. When her powers aren't working, it just ends up an unwieldy thing that telegraphs her attacks.

    I think there is a clear difference between Yamato and Tsukuru. 'm honestly surprised that they only lost between 10 and 30% of their forces. Tsukuru has always had to actually fight, and having conquered their lands, they have exclusive use of the bird people using magic. Yamato has had the emperor and the false masks doing all the work this whole time. They might be the most powerful on their continent, but based on how badly this invasion went, that doesn't mean much.

    Best scenes this episode were anything Atui and Haku still not realizing that Kuon is obviously their princess, even though she's basically told him. The intensely murderous looks on their faces should have given him pause.

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    They seemed to believe the Tuskuru magic can't inhibit Vurai's power. Who knows.

    I would imagine the twins would know instantly if the emperor died. This must be some weird plot, whose purpose is right now lost on me. Unless it's meant to give Haku a shock big enough that he would rise to the occasion and assume command. Not that the Yamato elite would easily accept him even if that was the emperor's supposedly last order.

    As much as I'm against this war, or rather Haku and Kuon participating in it, this was quite an interesting episode and people showed very intriguing attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Tsukuru spies? Am I forgetting some 30 second scene, or are you attempting to refer to Karura and Touka?

    Those two created an inn in Yamato, because they wanted to wander, same as Kuon. Karura spends all day and night drinking, and Touka acts as one of the maids.With Hakuoro...whatever he is doing (slumbering?), they had no reason to stay in Tsukuru. That's not spying, that's fleeing with the intent to stay distracted and not be tortured by memories of "home."
    Didn't Karura and Touka mention something about studying Yamato for Tusukuru's sake back when they showed up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Didn't Karura and Touka mention something about studying Yamato for Tusukuru's sake back when they showed up?
    I agree that one of their purposes was to assess Yamato's strength. That ultimately brought up the line "but we have something they don't" - and so they built a bath house.

    And so Kuon really is Karura's biological daughter.. Wow.

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    Wait, what???

    I must have missed that. When was that confirmed? I always thought Kuon was the missing elder sister's daughter with HKRO.

    About the spies, it would be weird for Tuskuru to have anti-mask magix ready otherwise.
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    No, Tsukuru has anti-mask magic because all the Onkamiyamukai are descendants of Mutsumi, who sealed Witsarunemitea away in the first place.

    The masks are copies of that power, and Urutori is the head-priestess, training her subordinates well after what happened in the last series, presumably in case Witsarunemitea wakes up again.

    They didn't need Karura and Touka to do any spying. Kuon said counter-casting is combat basics for Tsukuru.

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    @Buff: It's always been pretty obvious who Kuon's mother is. It's not Karura. Match tails and ears and you can figure it out.
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