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    I don't even know who Mutsumi and Witwhatever are at this point. Care to elaborate?
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    Mutsumi was the black-winged experiment hybrid made when the scientists were screwing around with Iceman/Witsarunemitea DNA. She's the origin of all the winged people, and was reincarnated within Kamyu.

    Witsarunemitea is the monster god that Hakuoro was half of, the Iceman part. The monster part is the true form of the god Witsarunemitea, and was sealed/split by Mutsumi after he rampaged the first time and turned all the humans to goop.

    Yamato was founded by stealing the science results and then replicating them ('decoys', fake masks, etc.). Tsukuru is about where the original lab was, and all its animal people descend from those experiments cloned from Iceman's DNA. They made several thousand, who scattered all over the regions seen in the first series (Tsukuru, Na-Tunku, Kunnekamun, with the Onkamiyamukai overseeing them all as diplomats).

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    Oh cool. Now I get it. So Yamato's are the copies, and Tuskuru's are the originals. Then it makes sense for them to get owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryll
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    @Buff: It's always been pretty obvious who Kuon's mother is. It's not Karura. Match tails and ears and you can figure it out.
    Hah. I suspected that at one point because their ears and hair colour matched, but I never remembered anyone else with non-bushy tails.

    Also, the anime cheated out on a key aspect.

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    Whoa, it was the paralytic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Whoa, it was the paralytic!
    I think you meant paraplegic, which she wasn't.

    She was blind.

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    Whatever, she couldn't move around.
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    That was an interesting revelation, but unfortunately I remember too little from the original series to really put the information to any use. I didn't even remember the whole character before I checked the old series' AniDB page.

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    HS - Episode 21

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    This sounds like the work of Karura's group. It's a little low, but anything for Tsukuru right?

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    Or one of the generals betrayed Yamato.
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    The fat one can't do anything. The primary suspect would be the Lelouch fellow, but that's mainly because he seems evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Or one of the generals betrayed Yamato.
    I think it is pretty obviously one of the other generals.

    Charismatic, autocratic dictator dies? Everyone wants to be his successor. Anju is too weak, especially without Munechicka backing her.

    What better way than to frame one of your rivals, known for his loyalty to the imperial family?

    The only question is which one it is. It's not Dekoponpo or either of Atui's or Rurutie's fathers.

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    It makes no sense how Oshtoru got blamed though. Maids were carrying the tea, so they should also be in suspicion. And who the hell poisons someone with a drink they made themselves, and while they are sitting in front of the target? Now we have a unanimous decision by the generals to execute him. This makes utterly no sense.
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    It's also not Vurai. General of the Left is low on the list, but he's possible.

    Going with conspiracy theories, this could actually all be the Emperor's plan to do... whatever it is he's trying to do. The magic he commands makes him the most powerful person in Yamato, so his death in itself is suspicious anyway. He treats Anju as a mere replacement for his daughter so killing her isn't beyond him. Harming Anju to further his goals gives Haku a very good reason to side with Tsukuru, from a plot-device point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    It makes no sense how Oshtoru got blamed though. Maids were carrying the tea, so they should also be in suspicion. And who the hell poisons someone with a drink they made themselves, and while they are sitting in front of the target? Now we have a unanimous decision by the generals to execute him. This makes utterly no sense.
    Yeah, that plot was beyond stupid. While it's true what they said, that it could technically be Oshutoru planning to make them think it's not he by making it look like framing, why would he still take the risk for no gain? If he wanted to poison the princess, he could have done it without becoming the prime suspect. Then he would have been the last person to be suspected due to being so close to her in friendly terms.

    Looks like keeping the idiot Dekoponpo around has rotted the other generals' brains. Unless all of them are in the plot, minus the irrelevant Dekoponpo.

    This second season was truly vastly inferior to the first.

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    You know what's worse? Oshtoru giving away his mask. Getting tortured in the dungeon is not a good way of proving your innocence.

    And did Vurai just make Oshtoru suck him off in that scene?

    @Buff - Why do you think it's not Vurai? Maybe he plotted everything and gloated in the jail cell.
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    It's not Vurai because that person has accepted Oshtoru as his equal, and to serve the emperor. His loyalty is second to only Oshtoru's in my opinion.

    He's not the framing/poisoning type.

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    Maybe he tested Oshtoru's ability by framing him.

    Loyalty is not a good basis for trust here. Most traitors were once the most loyal vassals.
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    Vurai looks like a through and through warrior and martial artist who doesn't give a shit about stupid plots, power struggles, and such. He knows he's the strongest, with only Oshutoru possibly rivaling him, and he cares for nothing but battles, worthy opponents, and bloodbaths. He's the last person to suspect and the last who should suspect his martial arts rival. But then again, since he likely doesn't give a shit about such things, he probably isn't thinking too deeply about the whole incident.

    It seems to me that if Vurai was convinved the empire would be stronger by having someone else than a little girl as the ruler, he wouldn't put up with theater like this but would have simply cleaved the poor girl in two. And then killed anybody stupid enough to protest.

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    Episode 22 - HS


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    Looks like I evaluated Vurai partially wrong. While he's indeed very straightforward, it seems like he's not above petty schemes, after all, although possibly as long as he can only accept them and doesn't need to be the one executing them. Moreover, he's actually one of those fools who thinks nobody else is suited to rule the empire but their own august self. It's a pity. It would have been nice if he had been an adamant warrior instead.

    This show certainly got better when things started to happen.

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