Boku no Hero Academia

[MFauli]

I've been waiting, and you just sprung my trap card. /yugioh

Do you remember how, in Hunter x Hunter, at the end of the initial Hunter Exam Gon squeezed (with a single hand) and broke the arm of one of the strongest characters, Illumi? I remember. He was what, 12? Illumi was late teens or early twenties, and a super assassin? Remember how Nen (potential physical enhancement) was introduced in the very next arc?

Naruto... not again... that is not a great example of what you are advocating... Every single ninja has a baseline of superhuman abilities and endurance gained by simply training- same as BnHA.

Superhuman characteristics are standard in pretty much all shounen stories - most anime for that matter.

I'm starting to feel that, if Hero Academia had been what came out 20 years ago instead, you would be complaining about how this new Naruto garbage isn't living up to the 'greats' of old and fudging what should be humanly possible... You're just old enough to see fiction for what it is, and forcing too much internal logic on an abstraction to begin with is only going to fuel your own inner 'comic book guy'. Are some things silly? Yes. Do a few things not match up to reality, or even try? Oh yeah. But is complaining about that really enriching your enjoyment of... anything?

Surely you have some other commentary, deep down, trying to claw its way out that will spin our heads with your perceptive insights on the metaphorical relationship between the villain losing the hands 'holding himself back' for a power up, or how hero society as a whole and the nature of professional public safety stewardship had a hand in these current conflicts, or maybe who can even safely fight Shigaraki at this point... or maybe the OST is cool sometimes? Whatever it is, I would like to hear about that much more than "This is dumb- see you next week".



Also, as for this concept, I would recommend you read the 'Mashle' manga (also in WsJ)- it's pretty much about 'What if Clark Kent enrolled in Hogwarts'?

You're 100% missing the point, neflight.

HXH, Naruto and other series never made me *feel* like the hero did such an asspull that ruined the whole show's premise.

Gon breaking Illumi's hand? That was perfectly plausible, Gon had already been displayed to have superhuman abilities, and that was him fuled by rage.

Yes, everyone in Naruto has superhuman abilities - that's established as a premise. It is NOT a premise in BnHA! In BnHA the premise is: No quirk -> loser. Had the premise been that physical training leads to such superhuman abilities, the whole drama about Deku being quirkless wouldn't have worked. Tthat's why it's so bad.

And Naruto DID become this bad in the time skip, mainly when Sasuke casually defeated Deidara. That was Naruto's jumpin-the-shark moment and it only got worse from there. Meanwhile HXH has only gotten better and went on to explain power upgrades in vast detail - too much detail some people would say. Even the scene with Illumi's broken arm was explained: Gon pretty much used nen without knowing about it. Just like his rage later on would let him defeat Neferpitou.

It's an insult to both HXH as well as your own iq to draw parallels to BnHA here.

[neflight86]

You're 100% missing the point, neflight.

HXH, Naruto and other series never made me *feel* like the hero did such an asspull that ruined the whole show's premise.

So we're debating your feelings... Yes, I definitely missed that point. I wondered why I was the only one providing examples. Understood. Unfortunately, if your irritation stems from notions unique to you, there isn't much discussion to be had- it just sounds like contrarianism to an outsider like me.

Gon breaking Illumi's hand? That was perfectly plausible, Gon had already been displayed to have superhuman abilities, and that was him fuled by rage.

I agree on the 'rage' portion, but nothing in the show suggested he should have superhuman grip strength. Remember how he gripped at Hisoka's arms (both hands) with determination to live in the hunter exam when he was being choked out? Why weren't Hisoka's arms twizzlers after that? Because that wasn't a power/strength that Gon had.

When he did it to Illumi it was unexpected- that was the point of the scene- that he would eventually be a great threat due to the potential to grow, but the argument you made was that there should not be any unforeseen power spikes in anime, and this was one such spike. Is it nit-picky? Yes. For you and me.

Yes, everyone in Naruto has superhuman abilities - that's established as a premise. It is NOT a premise in BnHA! In BnHA the premise is: No quirk -> loser. Had the premise been that physical training leads to such superhuman abilities, the whole drama about Deku being quirkless wouldn't have worked. Tthat's why it's so bad.

This is not established as a premise. How do you explain non-ninja folks in that world? They are plain people who haven't trained their way into ninja-dom; that's all. But the show isn't about them, so its easy to forget that all of the named characters had a base improvement in abilities by their training. Same logic in BnHA. Matter of fact, the premise of BnHA is that 80% of the population have powers, a much higher percentage than Naturo's populace are 'with gift'. The only one who actively shunned Midorya for not having a power was Bakugo. This argument doesn't hold up because it is demonstrably wrong.

The drama about being quirkless was address when All Might told Izuku to be a police officer or something. The actual message/moral/tone of the story has always been doing good with what you have. Izuku's lamentation and still wanting to enroll in U.A. without having a quirk should tell you that being a hero is all about mindset- not powers, though they are necessary. That all being said, once again, I agree with you that the limitations for what normal people can achieve in this show are fuzzy, and its fine to take issue with it, but to say that Deku would reach All-Might levels with plain old training does not appear to be a possibility.

Meanwhile HXH has only gotten better and went on to explain power upgrades in vast detail - too much detail some people would say. Even the scene with Illumi's broken arm was explained: Gon pretty much used nen without knowing about it.

That's known as a ret-con, and it's pretty obvious unless you are willfully trying to not see it, which I don't blame you for.

It's an insult to both HXH as well as your own iq to draw parallels to BnHA here.

No need for personal attacks. We're here to observe and discuss this show, ignoring that you drew the parallels first. Now that I better understand what bothers you about this so much, week after week- an invisible standard of continuity you alone can vet- I feel like I better get what makes you tick and why Boku's fuzzy character strength continues to hold you hostage and torment you. Thanks for the reply.