That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime: Tensei shitara Slime datta Ken

[Ryllharu]

No offense, but I don't trust the German education system to have been completely honest when teaching you about how they used to be history's greatest monsters. Seems like the kind of thing about a country's own history they might decide to downplay.

He's right on that one. Germany is almost pathological in their education about how guilty they should perpetually feel for what was done.

Contrast that to Japan, who does significantly downplay what they did in China and Korea at all levels of education and government. Culturally too. GATE is basically revisionist war history porn playing at being an isekai and JSDF recruiting.

And so does America, in basically everything. They don't hide it, but they sure sugarcoat it.

[Kraco]

The only thing you can negotiate with an invading army is your own surrender. Rimuru would have needed to slaughter thousands of soldiers no matter what to convince the rest of fighting being futile. However, like DE said, if given a proper chance, the army could have possibly offered real resistance, including being able to hurt Rimuru. Furthermore, the leadership might have just escaped (teleporting), leaving the grunts to fight until incapable of fighting because they probably couldn't escape so easily. Back in their own country, the leadership would then do their best to spread horror stories of the inhuman Jura Tempest monster country.

He's right on that one. Germany is almost pathological in their education about how guilty they should perpetually feel for what was done.

Contrast that to Japan, who does significantly downplay what they did in China and Korea at all levels of education and government. Culturally too. GATE is basically revisionist war history porn playing at being an isekai and JSDF recruiting.

And so does America, in basically everything. They don't hide it, but they sure sugarcoat it.

Absolutely nothing compared to the history rewriting Russia practices.

[KrayZ33]

Mr. Roger's philosophies and Nazi defense. You truly are the dichotomy of man...

Oh gosh shut up. We live by these moral standards every day.
Every christian nation does.
Even laws are created with this in mind.
I never "defended" Nazis either you dipshit. Stop putting words in my mouth.
It's *you* who brought Nazis into this discussion even though they have nothing to do with this topic.
And worst of all, you don't even have a fucking clue about that topic in the first place.

Aren't you American? Your system's education on this topic is flimsy at best.

You try to paint a picture here that every Wehrmacht soldier is a freaking Nazi.
The Wehrmacht did indeed partake into warcrimes, but I just love the idea that you believe that every soldier had a choice when literally death squads were roaming the streets that would kill and jail both your family and yourself depending on what you say and do.
It's also completely ignoring the fact that the whole system indoctrinated several generations into service.
Did Soldiers commit warcrimes willingly? Yes. Did everyone do this? No.
Did the majority do X or Y? No one fucking knows. Estimates range form 5%-80% So basically, there is no reliable data for that anywhere. We know that brutality was common though.

If your moral compass is limited to "everyone has to make their own choice and it's their own fault" or whatever then sadly, you know absolutely nothing. The "American Dream" which implies that everyone can make their own choices and be happy, didn't exist, it doesn't even exist today.

What do you think would have happened to the individual who did not execute the "Kommissarbefehl" in 1941, at the height of WW2?
Would you chance it?
Do you think that's still a choice for a soldier?
Don't think that he shouldn't be saved just because he followed his orders considering the possible consequences if he didn't?
This is still a topic to this day when 94 year olds are getting jail-time for what they did in WW2, or don't get jail time, due to "Befehlsnotstand". It's so difficult to actually find the truth here, still to this day, so I don't know why you can easily judge every single one of them. It's a good thing you don't have any power, I guess.

Still don't think this is even accurate.

They've already shown with Hinata that, given preparation, Rimuru CAN be countered and defeated. If he keeps using a light touch on these guys, they are GOING to kill him. And then kill everyone else.

Now this is actually the only relevant thing for this discussion.

You don't think this is accurate?
Did you even watch the episode, or listen to what Rimuru said?
There was not a single second of doubt in his mind that he could *easily* crush the whole army.
Like - seriously - *none*.
He actually *said* that they are weak and this isn't a problem.

It's actually funny that the girl who created the barrier that weakened everyone in the city is the one who was shown mercy. No one seems to truely care about that, but when that same mercy is denied to some random soldiers, who are in this willingly or not, yet are no threat to this town at all, as we have *actually* seen, it's supposedly that much different.

[DarthEnderX]

Oh gosh shut up.

Okay. Hope you didn't want me to read all that shit you typed. Cause I didn't.

Where is that comming from though? If we go by what we've seen and with what the characters in this show knew and said so themselves, then there was no real threat.

THEY ALMOST KILLED HIM TWO EPISODES AGO!

I kinda also wonder what the barriers created by the holy-church faction actually did in the end because it didn't seem to affect anyone all of a sudden.

I believe the crystal generators were located outside the barriers.

Not only are we taught about WW2 and the nazi's crimes about 3 times during our school education; we're also constantly reminded about it by the movies we are shown. *Nothing* is downplayed.

Yeah but...isn't it?

Apparently, your media tells you that the Nazi elite were responsible for the holocaust and that's terrible, but the average German citizen and soldier didn't even know that was happening.

Except...America knew what Germany was doing to the Jews at that time. From the other side of the planet. So I'm supposed to believe we knew about it, but the people in Germany didn't?

So your argument is "Nothing is downplayed because it totally tells us we were bad". Except they COULD still be downplaying it, if the reality of it was even WORSE.

[MFauli]

No offense, but I don't trust the German education system to have been completely honest when teaching you about how they used to be history's greatest monsters. Seems like the kind of thing about a country's own history they might decide to downplay.

The biggest of eyerolls.

Our German movie-making industry lives on four genres:

- dry crime investiation
- cringe comedy
- movies about the DDR
- movies about WW2 and how bad our past generation was

Not only are we taught about WW2 and the nazi's crimes about 3 times during our school education; we're also constantly reminded about it by the movies we are shown. *Nothing* is downplayed. That's why your generalization is simply wrong.

[KrayZ33]

I think I made my point clear enough to not consider everyone in that army as innocent.
I don't even care about that because it's not the issue I'm having here

You don't become a monster to fight the monster.
You don't fight fire with fire and you don't confront hate with hate.

It's because he is so powerful that there should be alternative ways to solve this attack (and all future attacks). He doesn't do it due to his need for souls, that's why the term "demon-lord" is fitting in the end.

[David75]

What nuances can you use when you're at war and an army is invading your place ?
Even if you are overly strong, are you strong enough to protect your loved ones and even the ones attacking you with a peaceful résolution ? Is that even possible ?

[neflight86]

I step away for a few days and come back to a smoldering crater of a thread, by Gotwoot standards!

I'll try to catch up a bit.

I don't. That's pure victim-blaming.

To be clear, I think that both parties can be complicit in a tragedy like this. Falmuth for its leadership's greed, and Rimuru for not heading this situation off before the first attack happened (or even recognizing the possibility). I would certainly place the vast majority of the blame on Falmuth, and I don't sympathize with that nation's soon-to-be fate, but I think it was written this way to serve as a plot set up and consequently a bit of diplomatic potential seems wasted.

That's precisely what he's doing: Destroying the whole invading army will send a message nobody can ignore. The threshold of attacking Jura Tempest Federation (or whatever the official name was, I can never remember it) will be considerably higher for anyone. It's exactly how it works in RL as well. When a country is known to possess military might, expansionist countries will think twice before invading, as it might not be worth it. If a country is chaotic and poorly defended, a neighbour will be attracted to attack, just like Russia targeted Ukraine.

Understood, and agreed. I just feel like the story beats in the show up to this point made more of an effort to seek resolution before things came to blood or more blood. I agree that this will likely to some extent prevent future aggressions from other nations, so some good can certainly come from it. I sit at 'less than ideal, but better than plan C'.

All things considered, I would probably be disappointed if this hadn't ended up this way. There is certainly an air of 'justice' in how clinically the fights were framed, and everything we know about that nation and its intents suggested that diplomacy would not have worked. My issue is that the show runners/author assumed we weren't interested in going through the motions of the diplomatic breakdown when we have been conditioned to expect some very obscure minutiae over the episodes like the infrastructure development of Tempest and small cultural artifacts like the hot springs that serve no real purpose... yet this country shaping retribution was rushed in a less than thoughtful way, and it, upon scrutiny, changes my perception of the character in a way that I don't think was intended.

[Kraco]

Understood, and agreed. I just feel like the story beats in the show up to this point made more of an effort to seek resolution before things came to blood or more blood. I agree that this will likely to some extent prevent future aggressions from other nations, so some good can certainly come from it. I sit at 'less than ideal, but better than plan C'.

I can't deny that. Rimuru had established some foreign relations, but it almost feels half accidentally, which, of course, isn't surprising because this is still an isekai series, which requires a bit of adventure. However, as a head of state, he did spend considerable time teaching foreign children and doing other things that look like they could have been slightly less important than trying to approach all the countries surrounding his own. Furthermore, he pretty much did entirely forget about the whole national defence thing. I suppose in the back of his mind he merely felt like since he's super strong, he has strong friends, and so forth, making it a no-issue. I guess it did work a part of the way since this current attack was combined with Hinata trying to assassinate Rimuru separately. However, it still means, as a whole, Falmuth+the religious organisation didn't consider Jura Tempest a nation capable of defending itself. And they weren't entirely incorrect.

You could say much of it is due to the other countries' ignorance. It doesn't help Rimuru's "master plan" was to make a random human take the credit for slaying the orc lord. In foreigners' eyes it means apparently Jura Tempest wasn't able to deal with the disaster; an outsider human hero had to do it.

[DarthEnderX]

To be clear, I think that both parties can be complicit in a tragedy like this. Falmuth for its leadership's greed, and Rimuru for not heading this situation off before the first attack happened (or even recognizing the possibility).

That just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's like you're walking down the street, and someone hits you in the head with a rock, and you're like "This is my fault for not wearing a helmet."

Like, yeah, you COULD have taken precautions. But you shouldn't have to. The precautions only become necessary when someone ELSE does something wrong. But it's still THEIR fault for the wrongdoing, not yours.

Furthermore, he pretty much did entirely forget about the whole national defence thing.

Hey man. Everyone loses their first game of Civilization to a random barbarian unit because they were too busy researching Pottery.

[neflight86]

That just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's like you're walking down the street, and someone hits you in the head with a rock, and you're like "This is my fault for not wearing a helmet."

Like, yeah, you COULD have taken precautions. But you shouldn't have to. The precautions only become necessary when someone ELSE does something wrong. But it's still THEIR fault for the wrongdoing, not yours.

I get where you are coming from, and our difference here seems more one of philosophy. In your example, I would not say "This is my fault for not wearing a helmet", I would say "In hindsight, this is somewhat my fault for not wearing a helmet or observing people around me in possession of both rocks and intent to harm." I believe it is more beneficial in the long run to plan for the worst, even if the worst is sometimes unknowable. That is unreasonable, but many people still buy/pay for insurance because of what can be at stake.

That is simply me as an individual. I expect a person in a leadership role (or a group of people/monsters in that role) to exercise that principal on a national scale. To not is at least a slight negligence. Of course you cannot account for every little thing, but the intents of a half dozen different countries you share a continent with should be something you keep track of; especially when you have a dedicated Ninja squad.

But this is not real life and even this story itself hasn't had that level of detail portrayed thus far, so it is unreasonable for me to expect it now. My issue was that without it, Rimuru's attack just seemed one sided to the rank and file who were killed ignorant of their plight. If I recall, they were summoned and 'responding to' a citizen claiming to having been attacked by a monster. I can't believe they were all in on the act; some are just soldiers with awful luck to be deployed here, as some were pillagers. A mix of good and bad. The leadership itself is what could have used retribution, specifically because Rimuru is a shape-shifting potential bridge between humans (he was one) and monsters (he is one). I selfishly wanted the story to go in that direction. That's all.

[MFauli]

What just irks me the wrong way: After all is said and done, Rimuru will have murdered at least 20k soldiers AND have had zero losses on his side. That's just not war, it's ... something else. I know you will say "Falmuth bad, they attacked first!!!", but it's still unfair how it'll end. Losses should be on both side, but Rimuru won't have any, and that cheapens the gravity of the whole situation for me.

Seriously, resurrection is just bs. It always sucks. Even Dragon Ball did it better than this anime.

[Munsu]

What just irks me the wrong way: After all is said and done, Rimuru will have murdered at least 20k soldiers AND have had zero losses on his side. That's just not war, it's ... something else. I know you will say "Falmuth bad, they attacked first!!!", but it's still unfair how it'll end. Losses should be on both side, but Rimuru won't have any, and that cheapens the gravity of the whole situation for me.

Seriously, resurrection is just bs. It always sucks. Even Dragon Ball did it better than this anime.

No one has been in favor of the resurrection mechanic, but not going to lose sleep over it. Other than that, who cares about arbitrary "fairness"? You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

[DarthEnderX]

35

---

Who the hell are these demons?! Did I forget another arc like I did with the Kobold?

What just irks me the wrong way: After all is said and done, Rimuru will have murdered at least 20k soldiers AND have had zero losses on his side.

I'm curious if the success rate for the spell applies to the spell as a whole, or each target it's cast on.

Cause if it's individual, than there the chance that even if it works on some of them(obviously the important ones), but some of the generic gobbos don't come back.

Seriously, resurrection is just bs. It always sucks.

I have a problem with costless resurrection.

Even Dragon Ball did it better than this anime.

I feel like the whole "one time bonus for becoming a Demon Lord" feels extra contrived.

I think I'd like it better if it was just "this is a spell that costs 1000 souls to cast". So it's always an option, but the cost is huge.

In your example, I would not say "This is my fault for not wearing a helmet", I would say "In hindsight, this is somewhat my fault for not wearing a helmet or observing people around me in possession of both rocks and intent to harm." I believe it is more beneficial in the long run to plan for the worst, even if the worst is sometimes unknowable.

Oh, it is 100% percent the smart and responsible thing to do to prepare for those things. But I don't believe NOT preparing for those things in any way puts you at fault.

This isn't, like, something that just happens naturally at random. It's not failing to bring an umbrella on a cloudy day. It's a thing that is only brought about by the fault of someone ELSE.

[Munsu]

Who the hell are these demons?! Did I forget another arc like I did with the Kobold?

Haven't watched the new episode, but Rimuru summoned some demons (or was it one?) for the fairy Ramiris when he was saving his students. I think he gave her a mecha for the demon to reside in or some such.

Another demon appears in the last episode of the first season, which was a flashback episode of Shizu, and during the last 3 episodes of the OVA (the first 2 episodes are just fanservice). May be worth it to look back into these episodes, particularly if you haven't watched them and have time to spare. The last episode of last season is a standalone story, so could be good to rewatch.

Without watching the latest episode yet, not sure which demons we're talking about. And I'm not sure if a demon appears during the first episode of the season, as a recap maybe?

[DarthEnderX]

As a colorblind person, does Rimuru look any different as a Demon Slime? Is he, like, purple now or something?

I'm kinda curious if the "gift" for everyone that didn't die was that they get to evolve again.

Without watching the latest episode yet, not sure which demons we're talking about

Ah shit, was I the first person to talk about this episode? Sorry for not labeling it.

[Munsu]

As a colorblind person, does Rimuru look any different as a Demon Slime? Is he, like, purple now or something?

Ah shit, was I the first person to talk about this episode? Sorry for not labeling it.

Well, I checked to see if there was a new one first to make sure what you were referring to. As I read the LN, I can read the post freely before watching the episodes regardless, but hope my answer gives you an idea, that indeed you've probably missed some demon appearances. I personally had also forgotten about them, but recalled them when I watched the OVAs prior to this season and did a bit of a refresher of the final episodes.

In fact, I recalled the last episode of the first season, but thought it was another series altogether LOL. I thought it was an episode from Grancrest Senki when I was trying to figure out where I had watched a certain scene before.

[Ryllharu]

Anyway ... oof. I'm not rooting for Rimuru anymore. Humans are clearly the underdog, so I hope they can get some victory in in the future. And guess what: Considering with what ease Rimuru and that arc demon killed everyone, Falmuth and the priest were proven right. If Rimuru happened to be not a peaceful monster (lol), then humans would be fucked. So taking preventive measure to eradicate monster towns is entirely justified. Otherwise it'd be a ticking time bomb for when a less peaceful monster takes over Rimuru's place (assuming Rimuru isn't immortal ...).
...
And now pls quote my post and tell me how wrong I am and whatever. Fuck Rimuru. I'm angry.

I swear to god you don't even pay attention to the majority of the episodes' actual content.

Let's talk about Falmuth. Their leadership are full of evil fucks who summon children from other worlds and steal their unique skills through human sacrifice. Humans born in this world do not have unique skills. Otherworlders do. That's a large part of the whole reason Rimuru is so OP, he came over with THREE, including the most broken of those three: Wise One -> Great Sage -> Raphael.

The knight douchebag had one, he was going to use it to gather all the remaining soldiers and use them as human shields sacrificial pawns so the four leaders could escape. That means he's already killed some kids for theirs. Rimuru killed him before he could activate it.

The king and priest separately both tried to sell each other out to save their skins. The mage played dead and tried to sneak away. The king, up to the very moment that Rimuru tore his arm off, displayed arrogance that he could outsmart and outplay another nation's leader, and on top of that, was going to demand reparations for his own failed invasion as being "merciful."

The king even badmouthed the smaller nation that Rimuru had already made peace with. The one he had been embargoing to make them collapse. The one Rimuru set up a completely peaceful trade deal (and even drastically beneficial to them over Tempest) all the way back in episode 2 and 3. He was desperate to survive, and then remembered that Rimuru must be stupid for being happy that he had a trade deal with Blumund.

As a consolation: I am greatly disappointed they didn't cover the side chapter of the manga that occurs during Megiddo from the human POV.

Who the hell are these demons?! Did I forget another arc like I did with the Kobold?

You didn't miss anything. This is the first time we've seen these guys. You had the same reaction I did when reading the manga. They're not set up, properly, which is odd for this series, and come out of nowhere.



I do appreciate that some of the Harvest Festival did some balancing on Rimuru in exchange for other broken as fuck powers.
- Raphael is Great Sage, powered up and physically able to manifest. She's voiced by the same VA that's been doing Great Sage this whole time.
- Degenerate (Shizue's broken AF power to split and recombine portions of skills into new skills) is gone to upgrade Great Sage. Which failed to upgrade without the sacrifice an infinite number of times as graphically depicted.
- Merciless is gone as soon as it came, to upgrade Gluttony to the magicule-devouring void power used in the resurrections.
- Rimuru is likely now immune or at least drastically resistance to Hinata's equally OP soul-slaying bullshit
- He summoned three higher-level demons, and now two are annihilated to power up the resurrections.

[Munsu]

You didn't miss anything. This is the first time we've seen these guys. You had the same reaction I did when reading the manga. They're not set up, properly, which is odd for this series, and come out of nowhere.

Nope, read my previous post. The Archdemon/Primordial at least has appeared a few times. In episode 23, he mentions that he committed a mistake when Rimuru finally summoned a demon (for Ramiris), he intented to be summoned himself but the other demon got in his way (his family as he called it). Later in episode 24 we get a flashback episode of Shizu and she meets this demon. So that at the very least shows us a connection between Rimuru and this demon via Shizu. Not sure if that's in part why he wants to serve him or not.

He once again appears within the last 3 episodes of the OVAs. I think he also appears in one of the first episodes of this season, but that haven't bothered to confirm.

As a colorblind person, does Rimuru look any different as a Demon Slime? Is he, like, purple now or something?

He looks a darker shade of blue, but not sure if that will remain after the evolution is completed (if it isn't yet).

[MFauli]

I swear to god you don't even pay attention to the majority of the episodes' actual content.

Let's talk about Falmuth. Their leadership are full of evil fucks who summon children from other worlds and steal their unique skills through human sacrifice. Humans born in this world do not have unique skills. Otherworlders do. That's a large part of the whole reason Rimuru is so OP, he came over with THREE, including the most broken of those three: Wise One -> Great Sage -> Raphael.

The knight douchebag had one, he was going to use it to gather all the remaining soldiers and use them as human shields sacrificial pawns so the four leaders could escape. That means he's already killed some kids for theirs. Rimuru killed him before he could activate it.

The king and priest separately both tried to sell each other out to save their skins. The mage played dead and tried to sneak away. The king, up to the very moment that Rimuru tore his arm off, displayed arrogance that he could outsmart and outplay another nation's leader, and on top of that, was going to demand reparations for his own failed invasion as being "merciful."

The king even badmouthed the smaller nation that Rimuru had already made peace with. The one he had been embargoing to make them collapse. The one Rimuru set up a completely peaceful trade deal (and even drastically beneficial to them over Tempest) all the way back in episode 2 and 3. He was desperate to survive, and then remembered that Rimuru must be stupid for being happy that he had a trade deal with Blumund.

Maybe you should read my postings properly before replying. I literally said that killing the king and the priest would have been okay. Why are you going to great lengths explaining to me why killing them was okay? I ALREADY THINK SO, TOO.

:/