How do we know that it didn't?Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
All of Rimuru's ogres were probably unique badasses to begin with. For all we know, the orcs are exactly as strong as a generic ogre.
Well, Gabiru's plan did revolve around hit-and-run tactics and not going toe-to-toe with them. So that might be exactly the case, that without the webbed feet, the orcs couldn't catch the lizardmen and make use of their superior strength.
Yeah Gabiru had field advantage and used it very well despite his inflated ego. The orcs had to bog through that swamp which great reduced their movement. And we don't know if what they eat is permanent considering they will be constantly hungry perhaps it's more like a temporarily skill that they get.
Gabiru is a skilled warior. I liked this fight a lot. But the oponent is too powerful.
Gabiru is too green (pun intended) to become a leader, if he ever shows/develop the qualities he needs to lead his fellow lizardmen.
Regarding the ep, it felt like a Xmas event with lots of eye candy power attacks.
But a quick estimate tells me we are under 20k orcs defeated.
Next ep will maybe tell us exactly where we are.
Or Rimuru wins and we don't even care
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
They wouldn't become as strong as ogres. They just gain certain traits from the enemies, but they don't become their enemies. They are still stupid weakass orcs.
Peace.
I just wonder if izards are inherently weak or it's just Gabiru. He' named, yet still super weak compared to even a named goblin.
Gabiru was named by a weaker being compared to Rimuru.
And Gobuta is not the weakest Hobgoblin either, at least he's special regarding his affinity for magic.
Still Gabiru showed great prowess in his fight against the Orc General. We do not know how Gobuta would fare against the same enemy.
Also Gobuta fully used the surprised element against Gabiru.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Episode 14
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The true hat of a gentleman.
Those boobs were too much, lol.
Man, i love those lizard people. They all got such a goofy, innocent aura to them. Couldn't stand to see them die for real (ugh, at least one was eaten by orcs ...).
I'm extremely glad Rimuru switched from auto- to active-battle. That auto-mode was some bs and had it been the end all, it would have greatly diminished Rimuru as a character imo.
Oh and: noooo, Ganon is dead!
Man, I really am enjoying this series. It's so much like Overlord, yet the exact opposite at the same time.
I think part of the reason I like this so much, is because it's basically an idea I once had, come to life.
Of course, I imagined it as the plot of a Dragon Quest game and not an anime. I thought once "Slimes are the ur monster of the DQ series, what if the final boss of one of the games WAS a slime." Then I thought up the idea of it being a special slime that was created in some magical lab that escapes, and it can absorb other monsters, and can even take the shape and powers of the monsters it eats. The heroes have to fight it several times during the game until eventually it eats the big bad ruler of hell, and then the heroes have to stop it from eating God.
Now I wish I'd done something with that idea back when I thought of it.
Of course, having the slime be the hero is pretty fun too.
I feel somewhat differently.
Auto-battle mode meant we could see a variety of skills. Rimuru's strategy turned out to be Predator, which we knew about already.
Imagine every battle being auto-battle, showcasing new skills from Rimuru, compared to every battle being Predator vs enemy. I'd tire of the latter way more quickly.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Why didn't auto battle use predator if it would win anyway? Auto battle is the world's knowledge right? Risk would mean nothing if you knew the outcome.
Peace.
Auto-battle has 2 downsides for me as the audience:
- it takes away agency from the hero? Why exactly do we need Rimuru, when just about any reincanated slime could do the same?
- This turned out not being the case (and it makes no sense, honestly), but: Auto-battle the way it was described implies that it chooses all the best options in battle. Basically, Rimuru either dominates OR he's chanceless. That's boring, too.
Seeing Rimurs operators reaction, I wonder if that becomes important in the future.
I didn't really like how he defeated that monster and I have to agree with MFauli, the autobattle mode was weird and I don't see a reason for it to be a thing in the first place. And while the darflames looked like they couldn't be extinguished, I was even more disappointed about autobattle using that "trap" with normal flames.
All in all that fight wasn't orchestrated to my liking, though I still believe we'll see better ones in the future.
The Orc-King flashback scene made little sense to me btw, maybe someone can enlighten me and explain how that illusion of a lush enviroment fixed the problem that the orcs have to return to their ravished homeland - I didn't quite grasp that nor do I understand how he supposedly took away their "hunger" - the orc-lord's, yes... but his minions, what will they do now?
Last edited by KrayZ33; Tue, 01-08-2019 at 02:27 PM.
Let's watch next ep, ok ?
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
The auto-battle only works for someone who has Great Sage. She took over.
I like that she was a little put out when he cut into her explanation. Cute gag.
What wasn't clearly shown in the anime, though it was there, but called out explicitly in the manga, is that this wasn't just Predator eating the Orc Disaster. The Orc King has green gas spilling out, devouring everything near him or in direct contact with him. That was what the Rimuru was referring to about 'your Devour versus my Predator.' It was the respective powers of two demon lords battling it out to consume the other. Parts of Rimuru were being ripped off and absorbed into the Orc King to regenerate him.
Eventually, Rimuru's will beat out the Orc King's. The orc king became a demon lord to save his people. That destruction was his sin. Rimuru promised to consume all that sin, as well as the sins of the orc king's people. That "satisfied" the orc king, and ended his hunger. With his hunger gone, the orc king stopped trying to devour Rimuru, and Rimuru consumed the orc king's body completely.
Auto-battle couldn't have run Predator that way. That took Rimuru actively controlling his regeneration while trying to eat the orc king. It was a willpower battle.
Actually, I read the light novel, and the reason Rimuru won is because Predator works on living creatures, meaning Rimuru is growing stronger as he eats the orc disaster. The orc disaster can only grow stronger after eating corpses, so it can't grow more powerful while Rimuru is alive.
Please see screenshot of the epub.
predator.jpg
This is a fact that Great Sage should know, since even Rimuru knows it, yet it didn't try to do it.
Also, in the very next page after that screenshot, Rimuru continues, "Talk about stupid. Think whatever you like, I've already won." So it wasn't a battle of wills at that point because Rimuru was assured of his win due to the difference in their respective skills. All the inner conversation nonsense is just background story for the faceless enemy to give it some depth.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Tue, 01-08-2019 at 06:46 PM.
Peace.
Yeah, but why can't Rimuru uses a variety of skills himself? We've seen him do it, like when he first went up against the ogres.
I think it's just supposed to be a "I can't think fast enough to do DBZ style movement shit, but the magic computer can."
But I'm with the folks that don't particularly care for this. I like Rimuru to fight on his own. And I also preferred it when an enemy had to be dead(or willing) to be eaten by Predator. Otherwise it's a boring iwin button.
I'm fairly certain that Rimuru is just going to invite the remaining orcs into his civilization and they'll just move into the forest. Like he's done with every other race he's encountered.
1) Why can’t Rimuru do what Sage does and use combos as well?
a) processing speed: Great Sage comes up with answers more quickly than Rimuru does, and
b) memory capcity: Great Sage will remember all skills, thus picking the best one. Rimuru is prone to forgetting skills as his repertoire grows, like most living non-genius beings.
That’s the primary reason to use Great Sage for battles.
Auto-Battle also isn’t dominate-or-win. Auto-Battle chooses the best action at any point it time. It doesn’t necessarily predict all events successfully, since that would assume that it has complete knowledge of the opponent’s abilities and how they would choose to use them. It also requires accurate prediction of environmental factors.
Even then, the “best action” doesn’t always net you a good outcome. Over the next 5 moves, I might have successfully landed a hit. And over the next 5, the best outcome turned out to be that I got away with having my arm chopped off instead of having my head chopped off.
These are real-time decisions as opposed to those “simulate every scenario and the winning one will play out perfectly”. Look at how Auto-Battle fucked up Orc Disaster’s fire resistance. That didn’t end up being “Dominate or Chanceless”.
Using Predator however, often gets you that result. Either you successfully eat them.. or you don’t.
I liked the dialogue between the two dudes exploring their motivations, but Predator as a skill is definitely nor more engaging than auto-battle.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Oh, one detail I didn't fully understand: Why could Rimuru so easily regenerate himself when Orc Lord devoured parts o him? Was that Rimuru using stored potions?
Rimuru also regenerated parts of himself when Hakuro cut him. I don't know about "easily".
They didn't go through whether Starve/Predator skills consume energy to use.
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