I found Gabiru to be level headed at the beginning, in my opinion he has been pushed by everyone around him into thinking something about himself that he isn't.
I found Gabiru to be level headed at the beginning, in my opinion he has been pushed by everyone around him into thinking something about himself that he isn't.
There's nothing irrational about Rimuru's followers. He has, very concretely, given them all a much better life, and saved their lives like the original goblin tribe's. The ogres were stragglers left behind from a genocide, but Rimuru offered them a home and a promise he would even help them defeat the orcs when the times comes. That's nothing like a random demon appearing out of nowhere, giving you more power, and then disappearing. Nothing is free. In Rimuru's case he's the boss of the town and his decision is the final one, so it's easy to see what is being required in exchange for what he offered. But what about the demon? Only an idiot would think it all happened for no reason. An idiot like Gabiru.Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
they made rimuru their boss, he never demanded anything.In Rimuru's case he's the boss of the town and his decision is the final one, so it's easy to see what is being required in exchange for what he offered.
so the "nothing is free" argument doesn't really fit ... because that's exactly what he offered them. Darth is right imho.
I don't see the difference in practice. He's the unquestionable leader of the town. Even an outsider like the dryad immediately called him the ruler of the monsters. Everybody in the town lives in relative happiness considering all the progress and stability, but they are also living under Rimuru's rule. What does it change if they were the ones to make him the leader?
Besides, as far as the ogres were concerned, Rimuru's condition was already that they accept him as a superior.
Rimuru came, gave them power and didn't "want" (he as a person has no interest in it) anything in return from them.. he is doing it because he is a good guy.
Demon dude came, gave them power and supposedly didn't want anything in return. ("sounds" like a good guy)
Rimuru's underlings follow him without question - the exact same thing Gabiru is doing.
The difference is that Rimuru pretended to want something while the Demon is pretending to want nothing in return.
So basically, you are saying it's odd and fishy that someone would grant him power without wanting anything in return, but we know Rimuru is (inofficially) basically doing exactly that.
If Rimuru would have said " I'll help you, you don't need to compensate me" - it would've been the exact same situation right now. His underlings would've been extremely grateful and follow him blindly.
Gabiru has (supposedly) recieved power by being given a name too... so woudln't it be normal to be grateful just like Rimuru's underlings? (especially since some amount of "behavior change" happens whenever Rimuru names someone)
tl;DR:
It's weird to say that "power comes with a price" when Rimuru would be the best example of a random act of kindness. He helped the goblins because he wanted to help, not because he wanted to be their leader.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 12-19-2018 at 06:34 PM.
I'd be wondering who the Clown Pervert works for. Clown Pervert says he works for Gelmud, who gave Gabiru his name, but Gelmud is also the same person who wanted the ogres to join him, and also created the Orc Lord.
They were very clearly using Gabiru to ruin the lizardmen's defense. Unfortunately for them, Gabiru is actually somewhat competent as a tactical leader.
But, that isn't what Clown Pervert actually said. "I've come as a servant for Gelmud..." not 'I'm a servant of Gelmud...'
You are missing one mountain sized difference: Rimuru is right there, whereas nobody knows where the demon is and whom he's associating with. People only know he appears occasionally to grant a name to willing individuals, but nobody knows why and for what purpose. Rimuru's reasons can at least be somewhat seen: He's living with the folks and likes to address them with names, plus he wants them to get stronger to be able to defend themselves. He even participates, very much so, in defending them. For most people (or monsters) that would be enough to tell Rimuru is a friendly entity. The demon? Uhhuh, he could be a good guy because granting a name makes the name receiver stronger, or he could be plotting something. Nobody knows and they most certainly can't ask since they don't know where to find the demon dude.
So did the guy that gave Gabiru his name. It made him more powerful and made him something of a celebrity among his people.
Granted, it didn't evolve him into something cool, but still, that had a huge impact on his life.
Sure, but look at what it did to the lizardmen society: It ultimately led to the prince imprisoning and robbing the king and taking matters into his own hands. Only a blind man wouldn't suspect that was the demon's original purpose. If you give a single person, who's not even the ruler, a heavy dose of personal power, things have pretty good chances of going wrong in the bigger picture.
Sure, but if YOU'RE his chosen one, you're incentivized to overlook that possibility.
New Ep.
Well...it seems OP creates OP.
too powerful for my liking.
if everyone is basically Dr.Manhatten, it renders everyone not as powerful absolutely useless.
Armies are now worth nothing. Nations have absolutely no power anymore, everything is on the shoulders of a few individuals.
It's fine if you don't like it, and I agree that everyone not as powerful ends up being useless (in combat only), but we don't actually know all that much about the world as a whole.
- Tempest is obviously a burgeoning nation that we do know about. They're unknown to the rest of the world right now, they're surrounded by everything else (as shown on the map), and they have a lot of potential, but are still on the primitive side in the Tech Tree. We're still seeing only a very, very small section of a very big map. They have a handful of craftsmen. Their stability is 100% reliant on Rimuru. Their defense largely left to the Kijin and Gobta's riders. That's a lot of area, and not a lot of people to cover it.
- The Dwarven nation seems very powerful, technologically. They can build magic contraptions, robots, huge amounts of magic weapons, and so on. They have hundreds, if not thousands of craftsmen and scientists. They've been around a really long time too. Nobody fucks with them. That says something.
- Brumund, where the three morons are from, does seem rather weak. That's fair.
- We don't know a whole lot about the other human nation that Shizu came from. But we do know that they have an entire school for summoned people. So that means they likely have quite the number of people similar to Shizu, though maybe not quite as powerful because she was buffed up by a Demon Lord implanting Ifrit into her.
- We don't know a lot about the Demon Lord who summoned Shizu, but we do know that the human hero who saved her was strong as fuck. And she sealed Veladora. We don't know who she worked for or who she was devoted to, but we can safely assume that she was protecting humanity in general.
- There's at least three more places shown on the map, that we know nothing about.
A few shadowy people don't seem like they make much of a difference. We've got one creepy dude in a castle, the clown pervert, and Gelmud, who is clearly far weaker than Rimuru when naming other creatures. FFS, Treyni drove him off pretty easily, even if Clown Pervert was somewhat unfazed.
It was weird for Ranga to evolve again for basically no reason. It's not like he was renamed or blessed ate something magic. Feels like an ass-pull.
Gelmud is way less cool than I thought he'd be.
Also, Rimuru keeps calling Souei a hotter. I wonder if his feminine human form is starting to effect his preferences.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 12-25-2018 at 01:09 AM.
I think Ranga evolved because he killed 100.000 Orcs and "leveled up" - or something?
I'm mildly surprised those orcs don't have horns, and aren't actually stronger than what they're depicted to be.
They've eaten a bunch of ogres already after all.
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Agreed. It's a problem in too many anime, but It's especially visible here. Worse than playing a Musou-game lol
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Kijin> Ogres > Gobuta(/?Orc General) > Gabiru
Looking at this, those orcs should definitely be stronger after eating some bloody ogres.
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Well, there's a couple possible explanations.
Either A. The orcs only ate a bunch of generic ogres and so only gained very generic ogre abilities instead of all the very specialized ninja/samurai/sorcerer abilities that Rimuru's Kijin have.
Or B. The orcs' eating skill only gives them generic racial abilities of the races they eat, and not the specific learned skills of the individuals they eat.
It was a village of 600 ogres, so they ate like 580 of them. They're allowed to be generic, but the fact that it didn't transform them into beings as strong as ogres is disappointing.
Unless ogres fighting in marshes are greatly outmatched by lizardmen, which would be even more disappointing for ogres.
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