Goblin Slayer

[neflight86]

I also enjoyed the episode and fight, but one thing that bothered me a bit was the scroll... Surely Goblin Slayer isn't/wasn't the first and only person to ever come up with that idea for a bottom of the sea water-laser? Given its effectiveness and lack of drawbacks, I figure most adventurers might each carry their own little WMD scroll for rainy days/encounters. I hope it is revealed that the actual creation of such a scroll is somehow prohibitive, or the lack of creativity on the general pool of adventurers' part I would classify as a weakness of world building.

Still though, that was a small nit-pick in an otherwise entertaining episode.

[KrayZ33]

As mentioned, the scroll is normally used as an escape tool, not as a weapon.

So I doubt many adventurers waste their "get out alive"-teleport as a "one time use"-weapon.

[David75]

I might be wrong but I think I remember these scrolls are hard to find and are remains of past civilisation. Some people can decipher them, but no one can make them anymore.
GS found only 2 in all his years of goblin slay, when he visited lots of ancient ruins.
As other adventurers do not mess with goblins, it's possible they do not visit ruins and have even less chance to find scrolls.
These scrolls are extremely rare and their price is high for that reason.

GS had a pretty clever idea, for at least 2 reasons :
He wanted to kill that boss, probably because it was too goblin friendly.
The scroll probably can't teleport more than one person.

[Kraco]

GS had a pretty clever idea, for at least 2 reasons :
He wanted to kill that boss, probably because it was too goblin friendly.
The scroll probably can't teleport more than one person.

Let's make it just a single reason:
They would all be dead if he didn't kill the ogre with the scroll.

It's actually quite funny this scroll was a better weapon against a single extremely powerful opponent than multiple weaker ones. Multiple weaker ones obviously is Goblin Slayer's usual opponent selection. However, it was a last resort tool in any case, so in that sense it doesn't much matter if it's the best choice against goblins or not.

[shinta|hikari]

It wasn't a last resort tool. He clearly said he wanted to use it to kill a nest. A big one, probably, but it'd still be a planned goblin extermination. He was dissatisfied because he was forced to use it against a measly ogre liked by some demon lord.

[Kraco]

It wasn't a last resort tool. He clearly said he wanted to use it to kill a nest. A big one, probably, but it'd still be a planned goblin extermination. He was dissatisfied because he was forced to use it against a measly ogre liked by some demon lord.

Of course it was a last resort tool. Scrolls are scarce and most likely will only become more scarce as the supply runs dry. If nobody makes new ones, every scroll used is one scroll less in the world, permanently. He wouldn't have a stockpile of them, so why would he use one if he didn't need to? It goes without saying he would have used it to destroy a goblin nest or something else goblin related, eventually. Goblins are all he has ever planned to fight if he can help it, so it would be the plan.

[shinta|hikari]

Pretty sure Goblin Slayer wouldn't consider flooding a giant nest a last resort. That's a safe and efficient way to do things. The last resort would be to invade it with low chance of success or survival. That's kinda the point with GS. He doesn't care about money or rare items as long as he uses it to kill goblins. He would use it if it is effective, not only because he or his party is about to die or something. That's what happened in this episode, and that's why he is dissatisfied with the scroll's use. Even the dying Ogre was shocked by his reasoning.

TLDR: The scroll was never supposed to be used that way (last resort to survive). It was just one his many tools to slay goblins.

[KrayZ33]

Yes, Goblin Slayer used/wanted to use it as a weapon of mass destruction.

Unlike other adventurers, he doesn't care about the cost.
He just cares about goblins and wants to see them dead.

You have to look at it this way:

He doesn't buy health potions, stamina potions or in this case scrolls to "survive", he buys them, so he can kill more goblins. That's his mindset.

[Kraco]

That scroll was never going to flood anything. When he talks about flooding caves/nests, it's performed through some other action, maybe diverting a stream or something. I don't know how much water was transferred by the scroll, but I doubt it was more than a few cubic meters.

So, no.

[KrayZ33]

So, yeah?

TLDR: The scroll was never supposed to be used that way (last resort to survive). It was just one his many tools to slay goblins

I don't see how you disagree here. He didn't intend to use it to slice up some gobbos.

[shinta|hikari]

@Kraco -

Doesn't matter if it's flooding or whatever. We don't even know how long he can keep the portal open, which can be indefinitely, allowing the flood tactic to work. But that's beside the point.

The point is, he clearly stated what he wanted to use it for...

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[Kraco]

Sure, but not by flooding. Because it wouldn't flood a single room. If the nest was a group of goblins in a narrow place, he could slay them all, all at once, by slicing and crushing them. But why would he randomly do it if he had a more a more conservative choice? He had done nothing idiotic so far in the series, so I don't see why he would suddenly do it if he had a choice. He's always thinking multiple steps into the future with how he deals with goblins. That's how he's still alive.

Also, he couldn't have use it in any other way than he did now, seeing how the scroll started to burn away as soon as he used it. So, no, he couldn't have transferred thousands of cubic meters to really flood any place of any significant size.

But fine, I can admit "last resort" might not have been a correct choice of words. Perhaps I should have called it a rare one-shot weapon for a situation where few better ones would be available. But no flooding. No flooding. Period.

[shinta|hikari]

Haha, okay. No flooding.

[MFauli]

I mean, let's not forget one crucial fact: last resort attack or not, GS would be dead without help from priestess. He couldn't even grab a potion by himself.

That's actually something I don't like about him: he's too suicidal. At that point it stops being impressive when he approaches dangerous monsters, because it's as dumb as the chinese guy who went inside a lion's area and got eaten - well duh.

Hope he opens up a bit and starts, well, 'caring'.

[shinta|hikari]

How is he suicidal? The ogre was completely unexpected and definitely a very rare thing to find in a goblin nest. Since the ogre was there, he had no choice but to fight it, and he didn't know it regenerates almost instantly. He doesn't have ranged weapons either.

If anything, all his methods are methodical and prioritize safety. Isn't him wearing his armor and helmet all the time because of his obsession with safety from goblin ambushes too?

[MFauli]

How is he suicidal? The ogre was completely unexpected and definitely a very rare thing to find in a goblin nest. Since the ogre was there, he had no choice but to fight it, and he didn't know it regenerates almost instantly. He doesn't have ranged weapons either.

If anything, all his methods are methodical and prioritize safety. Isn't him wearing his armor and helmet all the time because of his obsession with safety from goblin ambushes too?

It's like Kray said: he doesn't buy potions to heal himself - he buys them to keep killing goblins. That's how he's suicidal. Risking everything for no immediate reason.

[shinta|hikari]

What you mentioned has no logical connection with him being suicidal. Krayz meant his entire life is dedicated to slaying goblins. That doesn't mean he has a desire to die or is careless with his life. He can't slay goblins if he is dead, after all.

What you probably mean is how seemingly cut off from pleasure and hope his life is, and if that's the case, I agree. The way he lives seems... precarious from other people's POV.

[Kraco]

This adventure, with the ogre included, made evident both his strength and his weakness. The former being that he knows everything there is to know about slaying goblins, reasonably speaking. The latter is that he knows little of anything else. You might say he treated the ogre like a giant, spell casting goblin. However, it was not, which led to big trouble.

[shinta|hikari]

That fireball spell is pretty ridiculous. If used in small spaces, it'd totally annihilate a party with no barrier spells. I bet that ogre would normally require a much larger party to kill, especially because he was supposedly liked by the demon lord.

I really like that detail because ogres are usually treated like dumb giants that swing a club around.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 05

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God bless this Guild Girl episode.