Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari

[shinta|hikari]

I don't understand how you don't understand.

I explicitly said I would've used words twice, and beat him down by sheer force after that.
Naofumi didn't do that. He deflected 7 attacks before the lightning cage got deployed and got serious.

I would've used Shield Prison and sicced my minions after him right after I deflected the second attack, the charged one that caused my allies' clothes and hair to forcefully flutter backward. <---- This didn't happen in the show.

I did stand by my words.

The problem is you keep trying to misrepresent my words to mean something else.

Like I said, I'm okay if you think I'm an asshole. I believe it is the logical and optimal thing to do. I think it is the smarter thing to do because you minimize risk to yourself and your allies. Negotiation can always be done after you have defeated the other party. In fact, it is usually more favorable for your side to do so (i.e. wars). You are free to think the opposite. In fact, I encourage it.

That's the difference in thinking we are talking about. The point - where and when exactly - to drop the "mr. nice guy"-act.

I was also pretty clear about what I disliked about this. Again, a quote:

I'm so sick and tired of seeing characters try to talk to enemies who are whaling at them.

That did happen in this episode.

[KrayZ33]

I don't understand how you don't understand.

I explicitly said I would've used words twice, and beat him down by sheer force after that.

You explicity said you would've used words ABOUT twice, in my language, that's not "exactly" twice

Naofumi didn't do that. He deflected 7 attacks before the lightning cage got deployed and got serious.

Yes, just like I pointed it out X times by now. He got serious later than you would have

I would've used Shield Prison and sicced my minions after him right after I deflected the second attack, the charged one that caused my allies' clothes and hair to forcefully flutter backward. <---- This didn't happen in the show.

You never said anything about using shield prison. These are not your words. He used shield prison though, to prevent Spear from acting. Not to defeat him - so they can talk. That part is kinda irrelevant, I'll just see it as using "full force"

That did happen in this episode.

Yes, not part of what you wrote before we started the back and forth though.

Here is what you wrote because you somehow ignore what started all this?

If words failed about twice, I would've convinced him using sheer force. If you beat him down until he can't do anything anymore, and then properly explain, and then heal and free them afterwards, they'd at least know you could've killed them but clearly didn't. That'd go against the idea that Naofumi killed the other heroes, making it more likely for anyone, including the Spear dood, to believe him.

And this is *clearly* meant to answer my question about what he was supposed to do.
And this is also *clearly* similar to what he actually did in this episode. The only difference being the number of tries to talk it out.
*ROUGHLY* = ABOUT twice - vs. ~4 times (7 hits)

When I pointed out that this isn't as far off after all, and that it can be boiled down to the amount of pressure you can hold back in before giving up on the "talk strategy" we came to where we are now.
When you say you would've flipped your switch earlier, fine - doesn't make him flip it later wrong and dumb. As mentioned earlier, he can't even use force himself. The fact that you "sic" your companions onto Spear shows how you think about them. That's different from how someone like Naofumi sees them - and he sees them as his children.

I disagree with what you would do, because in my eyes it's *not* the logical thing to do if you are in the situation Naofumi is in. It's basically sounds like a backseat general at work here (just as much as the Orb scene earlier, but this time, it's not even about the different of what was/could've been done, but rather WHEN it was done - since both you and him did in the end do the same thing, that's so pointless because it doesn't even change the outcome). It's ignoring all kind of factors, such as feelings and the urgency of the situation at hand.

You do realize that the very first thing to show that you are not an agressor, is to be not aggressive.
Dropping that in favor of using ultimate force is by nature rather illogical and should be used as a last resort and not as an immediate response.

End of my point.