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    Rape as the gravest sin made me laugh. Sjw-infested anime?

    Btw I didn't understand how that Kingdom is a matriarchy. The king is ... male?

    Shinta, of all the things, everybody taking the girl's side without proper investigation was the least unrealistic part of this episode :/

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    Taking the girl's side is common enough, but sentencing and carrying out that punishment without an investigation is not as common. Then again, it's a monarchy, so I shouldn't expect modern justice systems, which are quite fallible still, from it.
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    The series has ample plot holes, but the matriarchy situation isn't one of them.

    That the heroes can't level effectively around each other (while we end up seeing exactly that with the other three on the first day) is one of the bigger plot holes. There's no real reason for it to happen, and its sole purpose appears to make it easier for the author to isolate the shield hero.

    The other three heroes are also morons. Nobody wants to play a shield class in the games they're playing. "Nobody wants to be the tank."

    Sure, tanks aren't always popular classes, but everyone sure as hell wants one in their group. So either all the MMOs they play aren't team-based or possess the holy trinity, or they are loner isekai-series trope protagonists.

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    The big problem with the tank class in this show is they can't wield a weapon, which is really strange. Then again, it's an alternate world, so the author can go ahead with whatever setup he wishes, as long as he doesn't contradict it later on.

    About the leveling, maybe it's just because of the last hit issue? If you have your own party, you can let the hero get all the exp and level them fast, but if all heroes are together, they will have to share the exp in each battle. It doesn't mean they can't level at all, but that it's much less efficient than splitting up.
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    That the heroes can't level effectively around each other (while we end up seeing exactly that with the other three on the first day) is one of the bigger plot holes. There's no real reason for it to happen, and its sole purpose appears to make it easier for the author to isolate the shield hero.
    well, by that logic, there is also no reason why the enemy has to arrive in waves and will only arrive when the hourglass turns, or why the heroes can not use any other weapon whatsoever. But where exactly do we see the other 3 heroes working together? I don't think that ever happened.

    Not sure if any of that ever gets answered but I guess they could've shown some kind of repelling force, not that it would do any good at the moment because how would that have been any different to what they are being told, I certainly don't expect this to be explained right now until much later in the show.
    They never said they can't be in close proximity to each other, they said they can't work as group together. Since it's more or less a game, isn't it more or less save to assume they can't work in the same party, at least not if they want to level up. Since most games mess up group XP and group leveling, this is actually (most likely by accident lol) pretty accurate, gehhh..

    Though I honestly believe it's because they mentioned that there is an hourglass in every nation, maybe it's the game's way of telling the "players" to help each of them instead of working as one unit since they could only help one town/city/kingdom that way. On top of that, having to deal with your weakness certainly makes you stronger in the end too. Seeing how players that tend to solo stuff and work around their weakness (lack of tanking/damage/utility abiliteis) and find new, more efficient ways to beat something... but I think the "splitt up and help everyone"-method is more likely/more reasonable.

    As for wanting a tank, well that depends on the game. I guess the holy trinity is common in western games.. I really don't think it is as common in JRPGs though. The tanker will eventually be dropped in favor of more damage depending on how the game works. Many games work like that too (especially turn based ones)
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    Or, considering that the government had a hand in framing Naofumi, and dismissed him on the sole basis he was the shield hero, everything they said could be totally full of shit.

    The other three are all attackers, so one would think that the shield hero with no offensive abilities was meant to be a tank and generate all the aggro. Naofumi's defense is really high. He got gnawed on all day by the orange balloons and doesn't appear to be fazed at all. Normal folks freak out about those things biting the shit out of them.

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    I don't see much issue with the shield-guy being a non-offensive tank only (for now).

    No amount of offensive power will save you if the enemy starts with an overwhelming attack that offensive units can't avert. This is me speculating, but imagine the enemy makes a volcano erupt near the kingdom, lava rivers flowing towards the city. Offensive heroes? Can't do a thing. Naofumi? Activates his by then evolved mega shield to protect an entire town! Even thought smaller scale, a fantastic defender allows his offensive companions to better focus on damage dealing.

    Ffs, I could even see some plot twist later on that'd basically: "The 3 offensive heroes failed, the 3rd/final wave was too much - but the Kingdom survived thanks to the shield hero - and thus a new cycle can begin". Stuff like that.

    Anyway, my point: having no offensive powers is not an impossible problem.

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    That's true, but this Queendom (?) is retarded for supporting a princess as she ruins one of the heroes, somehow giving tiny allowances to heroes who will save the world (just enough for some equipment, really!? how poor is that country??), and overall draconian laws.

    I wouldn't put it past them to hate the shield, even if the shield is a critical weapon throughout our world's war history including the present (bulletproof shields, gun shields, etc.). Maybe in their world the shield was only used as a food platter or something.

    The fact that their society is supposedly matriarchal even though women are supposedly weaker than men (soldiers = men, heroes = men, important people = men) is unrealistic. If men are physically stronger than women in their world, a true matriarchy can't exist, just like there is no unambiguous matriarchy in our own history (or so most experts say).
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    After I watched the first episode I wanted more. I started buying the Volumes on Kindle Vol 1 to Vol 5. Probably take me all week to read Vol 4 between work and not work lol and then Vol 5 for Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    I don't see much issue with the shield-guy being a non-offensive tank only (for now).

    Anyway, my point: having no offensive powers is not an impossible problem.
    We obviously know it's not going to be a problem, but it doesn't affect the current situation. The three other heroes have their impression from the game they played, and it's safe to say the game was either poorly optimised or the shield hero in it was an unsatisfying chore to play in practice. Probably not the game devs' intention, but such flaws are hardly rare in games. Perhaps the very fact the shield hero was no good for the players is then reflected by the general attitude of the kingdom's population, making the shield hero a dud in their minds and not worth supporting. Or perhaps past summoned shield heroes only caused trouble. We can come up with any number of scenarios, but it doesn't change those folk's opinion. Naofumi is the only one who can do it by kicking ass like there's no tomorrow, proving them all wrong.

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    I find it funny that the heroes summoned to save the world based their opinion of a real weapon on a game, instead of um, their reality. Even if the world they got transported to is game-like, it doesn't change the fact that it is reality to them now and the natives. That world is doomed.
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    Enjoy what..? 25 episodes?
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    I'm feeling the bitterness of the MC. Let's rip that girl a new asshole.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli
    "The 3 offensive heroes failed, the 3rd/final wave was too much - but the Kingdom survived thanks to the shield hero - and thus a new cycle can begin". Stuff like that.
    Or,.. "Fucking tank didn't do its job properly and we all died".

    I'd love to see Shield Hero sit around during Wave 2 going "Well, I could save you, but what'd I get out of it?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Enjoy what..? 25 episodes?

    Reading the news... or the 25 episodes... :/

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    Why not both?
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    Episode 02


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    Ahhhhh, the feel-good episode feels so good.

    I'm slightly surprised that Naofumi isn't more broken than he is. The whole slave thing must give him so much peace of mind.

    Of course, the most intriguing thing about this episode was that someone asked the slave merchant to approach Naofumi, and that someone hinted that he'd take Raphtalia as well. The same someone connected to the shifty cloaked person during the rape "hearing" I'd gather.
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    What a sweetheart.

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    "A slave isn't a person"

    Proceeds to treat her like an actual child and taking good care of her. Kind contradicting yourself there buddy!
    But loved the episode regardless. But I feel like they skipped out on another nice scene that shows him taking care of her.

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    Loved the episode, but it somewhat felt like Naofumi is a completely different person from episode 1. Way more serious, calm and pragmatic.

    Not complaining, because I like a hero who accepts that slaves are part of the world and makes use of it instead going full-sjw and try to rescue them all.

    There won't be a time skip, eh? Would love to see the girl grow up into an Asuna-like warrior. And then she marries Naofumi.

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