Redo of Healer: Kaifuku Jutsushi no Yarinaoshi

[Kraco]

Yeah, this isn't trying to make any political statements or show a middle finger at the censorship proponents. This is a simply edgelord revenge fantasy. You might even say it's a coincidence women get raped; for the revenge to really hit home, the opponent needs to be a human (or at least something that once was a human). Revenge is plentiful among the various themes of fiction, has been since the birth of fiction. This is merely taking it a step higher with the edgelord stuff. Funnily enough among rape fantasy stuff this is actually tame because a justification was given for the rape. In pure rape fantasy the rape would simply happen for no higher reason (if you can call it that), like it usually happens in RL, aside from wars and terrorism, where it's used as a weapon.

I switched to watching uncensored releases (Rom & Rem). I don't like artifical looking censoring. Either cut the scene away entirely, exchange it for something else, or show it. Don't paint half of the screen black or do something else stupid.

[Munsu]

Yeah, this isn't trying to make any political statements or show a middle finger at the censorship proponents. This is a simply edgelord revenge fantasy. You might even say it's a coincidence women get raped; for the revenge to really hit home, the opponent needs to be a human (or at least something that once was a human). Revenge is plentiful among the various themes of fiction, has been since the birth of fiction. This is merely taking it a step higher with the edgelord stuff. Funnily enough among rape fantasy stuff this is actually tame because a justification was given for the rape. In pure rape fantasy the rape would simply happen for no higher reason (if you can call it that), like it usually happens in RL, aside from wars and terrorism, where it's used as a weapon.

I switched to watching uncensored releases (Rom & Rem). I don't like artifical looking censoring. Either cut the scene away entirely, exchange it for something else, or show it. Don't paint half of the screen black or do something else stupid.

Wasn't aware there was an uncensored version.

[shinta|hikari]

Wasn't aware there was an uncensored version.

There is. The finger breaking scene was better there.

[MFauli]

Yeah, this isn't trying to make any political statements or show a middle finger at the censorship proponents. This is a simply edgelord revenge fantasy.

The show itself isn't. *That* it exists in this day and age, is.

[KrayZ33]

The show itself isn't. *That* it exists in this day and age, is.

I wouldn't say so.
This is just porn. And this plot is common in hentai and stuff (much worse there actually), so I don't even see this as something "new".
It's just a matter of whether someone wants to show/stream porn (doesn't matter if it's hardcore/soft or some rape fetish) or not.

This show isn't just showing rape either. It's glorifying and justifying it. It's a joke actually and if you give it more credit than it deserves, it's not only wrong, but also disturbing and dangerous - so lets just not do that..
Rape isn't even truely a plot or a real story element here. It's basically just the goal to show it.

[MFauli]

I wouldn't say so.
This is just porn. And this plot is common in hentai and stuff (much worse there actually), so I don't even see this as something "new".
It's just a matter of whether someone wants to show/stream porn (doesn't matter if it's hardcore/soft or some rape fetish) or not.

This show isn't just showing rape either. It's glorifying and justifying it. It's a joke actually and if you give it more credit than it deserves, it's not only wrong, but also disturbing and dangerous - so lets just not do that..
Rape isn't even truely a plot or a real story element here. It's basically just the goal to show it.

So if he was killing torturing and killing her, but NOT raping, then it'd be a regular anime. But rape makes it porn?

Ok

[KrayZ33]

So if he was killing torturing and killing her, but NOT raping, then it'd be a regular anime. But rape makes it porn?

Ok

Your "argument" falls flat so hard.

He's doing all of it. Not just raping.
The raping however is clearly portrayed and used in a way to make it not as bad though.
He rapes them and then the character he rapes start to *love* him due to "mind magicks".

You know how silly this is?

He got "special powers" so he can rape others better and to make it possible in the first place

You understand how silly this is?

The anime justifies rape and torture because this has happened to him, implying "it's fine to do so because shit has happened to you, get your revenge buddy!"

You get how silly this is?

So yeah, it's porn.

If they would focus on killing for the revenge story, it would be an action thriller.
Like John Wick, or Equalizer. In these movies, MC is actually still an outlaw and perceived as such in the world they live in, and most of all, they don't *gain* anything from it - they suffer *because* of it.
In this show, he isn't. He gets rewarded for it AND the world celebrates him, not just the world the victims too actually.

On top of that, this show is actively putting the main villains as women, that's a thought worth thinking about too, just so that he can build a harem of mind-erased drones he can keep violating whenever he wants. For some reason, there is no male character in his harem. They just die.
Weird isn't it?

Well, not really, as this is mostly hetero porn. So obviously they want to show hetero sex.

[MFauli]

You understand how silly this is?

It's an anime.

There are countless anime where murder is justified by having loved ones murdered, to mention a popular mainstream one: Naruto (Itachi and Sasuke). But being raped and then dishing out rape against others is silly? wat

Special powers, revenge, satisfying scenes - none of these are any sillier than they are in other anime without rape.

You're the prime example of someone who I wrote this article for two days ago: https://outrageousfacts.wordpress.co...on-a-pedestal/

Rape isn't special. And rape doesn't make it porn. As someone who has watched his fair share of actual hentai, Redo of Healer would be pretty bad at being porn, because the sex scenes are way too short for that. The anime is hot trash, I won't say that it itself is a masterpiece or anything. But it's not porn. It shows the revenge in full detail and that is what the story has always been about: revenge

Again: If the revenge didn't include rape, but instead minutes of detailed torture and murder, you wouldn't complain. You'd call it a horror thriller or whatever. But some rape makes it porn. That's actually quite a fucked up train of thought for other reasons, lol.

I've never seen a mainstream anime dish out proper revenge against female villains in the way Redo of Healer does, so I'm glad it exists. It's what I hated about Shield Hero, when Melty got off way too easily. And you also go full-sjw and call it misogynistic. Afaik he will take revenge against the entire group that abused him, which includes men, too. He doesn't hate all women, he hates those SPECIFIC women that did crimes against him. It's ridiculous to call this misogynistic.

[Kraco]

The show itself isn't. *That* it exists in this day and age, is.

No, not really. These series are based on light novels, which often are based on web novels, basically self-publications, meaning, there's no limit to them. I reckon in Japan, with it's society constructed to be highly competitive yet uniform at the same time, there's strong demand for edgelord and revenge fantasies. After all, traditionally in Japan a bullied person isn't helped by the society, instead the bullying victim is blamed for getting bullied and told to deal with it. Bullying isn't traumatic only for the targets but also for some of the onlookers if they happen to be empathetic people or if they fear they will be the next victims. It's not hard to see how there's a continuous stream of new customers for revenge fantasies.

The anime justifies rape and torture because this has happened to him, implying "it's fine to do so because shit has happened to you, get your revenge buddy!"

You get how silly this is?

In this show, he isn't. He gets rewarded for it AND the world celebrates him, not just the world the victims too actually.

How exactly is it silly? The oldest form of justice in the world was revenge, either by the victim or by their relatives. In fact it's still so in some unfortunate parts of the world. In most of the world the revenge was simply institutionalised. However, in lots of cases it still depends on the victim, or the victim's family, to report the offense and/or sue the offender.

World celebrates him? Where exactly did you get that from? Dude's automatically a fugitive. Why did you think he waited until the king is away, prepared a double by mutating the knight, and then sneaked out, altering his own looks and name (though the alias is as stupid as in these stories normally). He's on the run. The whole kingdom is basically his enemy right now. Just like if you killed a person who had assaulted you previously, you'd be hunted by the law enforcement of your country. This dude attacked the very government of the country.

I don't know why you are calling this porn, though. Sex, so far, has been nothing but acts of violence in the story. Furthermore, you could remove those scenes, wholly or partially, and little would change. With real porn, you would have the customer calling you angrily and demanding their money back if you removed sex scenes. This is an edgelord revenge fantasy. Rape is a part of it, just like maiming and killing.

[Ryllharu]

Himekishi ga Classmate does it better, and it isn't very good either.

[Kraco]

Sure, you could say those scenes may be porn since they are videos of sex in a product of entertainment industry. However, it doesn't mean the whole work is porn. There are a lot of live action movies with sex scenes as a part of the character development, that is, as a part of the plot/story. It doesn't make them porn. I could bet a whole lot on Academy Award winners having some movies with sex scenes, though hopefully more tasteful than in this series. They could also be removed with not too much effect, some entirely, some by bypassing them otherwise if they are relevant to the plot later.

For biological reasons humans enjoy watching sex and beautiful/handsome members of the opposite/same gender naked, depending on the orientation of the individual viewer. That's why anime, in general, in so full of fanservice even if it doesn't most of the time make it to the intercourse level.

Sure, in this series a lot of the sex is there for the sake of attracting an audience wanting to see it, but that pretty much applies to everything. Many movies want to have a famous actor because lots of people will at least consider watching the movie because of it. This work is geared toward an audience that is attracted by sex scenes. It still doesn't make this porn, though. Porn is a category of its own. You don't just throw stuff into it because you feel like it. I'm sure you know how the shounen/shoujo/josei/seinen classifications work? It's all based on the publisher of the work. Like I said before, porn is something that was made to be porn, specifically. It won't be aired/streamed by regular services. Some might say, and indeed have said, that this is too close to porn, which is a fair and understandable statement, but calling this actual porn is factually incorrect.

[KrayZ33]

I'm not calling this show porn - as in "this show should only air on pornhub"

I'm saying this story is just porn and most of the rape scenes, where MC is involved as the culprit, are too.

So not sure why we compare this to other movies that are clearly not about MC getting his way with the ladies by mindbending and brainwashing his targets.

The fact that it isn't actual porn but has a porn plot and porn story and porn-storytelling is the actual problem and why this show was taken from a German streaming site.
If it actually were porn, it would be much less of an issue. (It would probably not air then too, but for other reasons).

[MFauli]

The fact that it isn't actual porn but has a porn plot and porn story and porn-storytelling is the actual problem and why this show was taken from a German streaming site.
If it actually were porn, it would be much less of an issue. (It would probably not air then too, but for other reasons).

Nah, that is not true. It was removed from Simulcast because the streaming service found it too controversial because of the rape. A ridiculous reason, but that's it. Not because they deemed it as porn.

[KrayZ33]

Nah, that is not true. It was removed from Simulcast because the streaming service found it too controversial because of the rape. A ridiculous reason, but that's it. Not because they deemed it as porn.

I didn't say they deemed it as porn. I said the opposite.
This show was to be taken more "seriously" in their eyes because it *isn't* porn.

[Kraco]

The fact that it isn't actual porn but has a porn plot and porn story and porn-storytelling is the actual problem and why this show was taken from a German streaming site.
If it actually were porn, it would be much less of an issue. (It would probably not air then too, but for other reasons).

I feel like we understand each other sufficiently at this point. Although for me personally this would be unsatisfactory as porn, but then again, I'm not interested in rape porn in general. With that mindset, I can just watch through the rape scenes as presentations of the violence the dude uses for revenge.

I feel like you spent too much effort in judging this series, though. This is like the very definition of garbage fantasy, so does it really matter if under different circumstances this could be released as porn and nobody would think twice about it? The one and only saving grace is that the MC isn't a total loser (loser like, always at other people's mercy, never making his own decision, with no ambition of his own, etc), now that he's living his second life. Of course this wouldn't be an edgelord series if he wasn't fighting the power all on his own, at least in the beginning.

[David75]

It feels like how Shield-Hero could have been.
Go uncensored or do not watch, but warned we did not get lesbian stuff yet (well indirecly in ep 3) ... but most of everything else.

[MFauli]

Episode 3:

Well, waiting for the uncensored version backfired, there was only male-abuse this time xD

Good episode, though. It really shows how despicable those that Keyaru punishes are. Honestly, I can't even think of a proper punishment against the heinous shit they did to him. Rape is not enough ,lol. I don't know ... cut their legs and arms off slice by slice and use heal so they dont die. that way they'll have to experience excruciating pain over and over again. At the end, sell them to some pervert who's into #amputee.

This anime is fun to watch and those who complain and are still watching are idiots.

Btw I wonder if he'll fuck the wolf girl. She didn't abuse him, so unless Keyaru goes full-villain, he shouldn't harm her. Although it seemed like she'll like him on her own account. And then there's the fact ... that this is a world where slavery is normal. This was one of those half-assed things in Shield Hero: Slaves exist, but everybody acts friendly to each other. A world that allows slavery should be less friendly, especially towards the slaves. So in that context, Keyaru wouldn't necessarily become a villain by abusing the wolf girl, he'd just do as the Romans do.

[shinta|hikari]

Btw I wonder if he'll fuck the wolf girl. She didn't abuse him, so unless Keyaru goes full-villain, he shouldn't harm her. Although it seemed like she'll like him on her own account.

Yes he will. No he won't. Yes she will.

The last part where she went red after he promised her vengeance foreshadows the diddling about to happen.

[MFauli]

Yes he will. No he won't. Yes she will.

The last part where she went red after he promised her vengeance foreshadows the diddling about to happen.

Really hope you're not spoiling here just because the anime is on the trashy side.

[shinta|hikari]

Just prediction based on everything that happened so far.