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    Notice the tunnel effect, colors and how Ghislaine effects when she kills the guys. Reminds you of absurd speeds in other anime like Goku's and others.

    Tough a little different there's a program out there showing what you see from the world and how it gets distorted as you approach lightspeed (in fact causality speed, but doesn't matter here)

    As Munsu said, we know nothing of Ghislaine stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    First of, no "random calculations". That's how you calculate speed. The values are minimum estimates, so even though there's "random", they're probably even more ridiculous.

    Secondly: I just couldn't suspend my disbelief here, because she's most likely not using any magic here, right? She's pure, unfiltered physical prowess. In that context, being that fast just won't get any other reaction than "lol" from me ^^

    It's not some major issue, I accept that this is just some shitty isekai anime, so don't worry. I will forget about it soon.

    On another topic, it felt kinda good to see that girl being beaten up for her obnoxious attitude.
    It's random because you're allocating random hypothetical values, and extrapolating from there. And she didn't need to use magic, I'm just saying we're in world that has that AND skills. We've seen Paul fight (probably not full strength against his son) using sword arts and how he does things not explainable just by pure physical prowess, and in the letter it's mentioned she's a Sword King. That should give you some idea on her capabilities, to say nothing of what being a beastgirl could bring into the equation.

    And you're taking the scenes to having been occurred chronically, which is the main problem you have here. If you're easy to use hypotheticals for imagined speed of things, in this world, you can also easily imagine that the scene weren't chronological... she made it a point to say she began travelling (and saw how fast she was going back then) as soon as she saw the fireworks and some time passed between that AND when the sword was thrown.

    As I mentioned, we SAW when she arrived and the state of things and how things were moving vs the speed she was deploying, and once again I point out how quickly she killed the other guys were at quite a distance. Also Rudeus himself is moving quite fast away from the sword so that buys some time from the time she arrived.

    Anyways, don't think there's much to discuss here on that regard.
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    Lol, "Money can't buy dere."

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    I just couldn't suspend my disbelief here, because she's most likely not using any magic here, right? She's pure, unfiltered physical prowess.
    It's probably Ki.
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    "Holy shit that guy kicked her teeth out. Good acting"

    Hahaha, come on xD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    "Holy shit that guy kicked her teeth out. Good acting"

    Hahaha, come on xD.
    To be fair, there would have been a queue around a city block if they had announced everyone Eris has annoyed or abused would get to kick her in the face once.

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    Putting aside that her father agreed to a plan having his own daughter 'fake kidnapped', I'm surprised they weren't more closely monitored by other members of the staff, notably the beast lady. Seems like a bit of an oversight.

    Rudy's first encounter with tsun-tsun went about as well as that sort of meeting could have, and it was a delight to watch. It was essentially a deconstruction where someone with magical powers was pitted against a petulant brat with extreme entitlement and social autism. And of course, no one but a depraved, isekai'ed otaku could find that behavior appealing in the slightest, so I'll call that providence her previous teachers didn't have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neflight86 View Post
    And of course, no one but a depraved, isekai'ed otaku could find that behavior appealing in the slightest, so I'll call that providence her previous teachers didn't have.
    When he ran away, I'd say he would have liked to abandon the mission if not for his pride. He didn't want to return back home in defeat, especially when he himself has asked for an opportunity to work. But yeah, he still was attracted to her like only a veteran of many a VN would be. Although I imagine getting punched multiple times in the face in reality would remove any illusions about a violent tsundere being cute even during the bouts of physical violence. It's not a game anymore at that point. The only ray of hope would be what he told the kidnappers: He can aim for the dere.

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    What kind of worthless parenting would Eris had to have had in order to end up that spoiled rotten, arrogant, and worst of all, deluded?

    Oh she was a Greyrat. Usurname checks out.
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    Sweet!

    I'm so glad we are getting a second season of this in summer.

    I hope they actually show a bit of the teaching and won't just make a 3 year time-skip in one episode.
    Eris needs some proper build up to not remain a complete bitch forever.

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    Episode 6


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    Spilling the medicine, what a waste.

    I can't say this episode would have progressed the story all that much, but I guess it was needed to show what kind of life Rudeus lives in that city. It can't be all kidnappers every week, after all. I feel like Eris should be a highly annoying character, but I can't make myself hate her. She has got a real personality, develops steadily if slowly, and doesn't seem to be like she is just for the sake of filling a certain character slot. It's good to see Rudeus's words have a real effect on her.

    I feel like the sleep molestation scene wasn't needed, though. Sure, Rudeus is a Grayrat and they are all perverted, at least the male members, but the dude should know where to draw a line with his abnormally long life experience. I suppose he must have been able to judge it wouldn't damage his position in the household.

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    At least Eris kicked the shit out of him for it.

    This was a really weird tone shift for the series as a whole in my opinion. Like the whole grandfather scenes, and the kemonomimi emulation family tradition.

    It felt more like an end of volume bonus chapter in a manga.

    Ghislaine's enthusiasm to learn math and economics is cute though. Sounds like she had it rough after Zenith left until she eventually found a bodyguard job. Getting ripped off constantly on jobs and left starving.

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    Aaand I will now enjoy the idiotic outrage reactions online, because those are guaranteed today Eris is ... 12, right?

    Ahahaha ...

    PS: Yeah, bit of a whatever-episode, but I enjoy some slice of life, and maybe it's the quiet before the storm next week.

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    Well, it's very close to how it was in the manga.
    The protagonist is a pervert and a molester only saved a little by is underage body. Because he would get scolded almost anywhere IRL.
    Knowing he has his old 37 to 40+ mind/experience adds weight to his acts for the viewers.

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    Yeah, that underwear removing scene was just... bad.

    Being a 12yo doesn't make it okay either. No matter your age, once you have enough insight to know what sex and shame is, removing underwear from a girl is tasteless sexual harassment. I find it quite jarring that despite his being someone who suffered through humiliation and pants-stripping, Rudy is quite okay with sexually harassing women whenever the opportunity arises.
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    I want to complain but...it's just gonna be the same things every week. We know what this show is now. Let's talk the other stuff.

    Unfortunately...nothing else happened this episode.

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    To add something meaningful:

    The issue with the groping scene isn't that it happens. Issue is that it didnt add ANYTHING to the story. Like, nothing at all.

    It doesnt lead Rudy to some self-reflection afterwards.
    It doesnt lead to him getting punished for it.
    On the flipside, it also doesnt show us any, from Rudy's pov, positive developments.

    It just happens, and the only one who reflects on it are us immaterial watchers.

    These sexual deviant scenes could be meaningful if SOMETHING came from it, whether that'd be negative or positive for Rudy (I wouldn't want it to become a moral lessons-anime). But these scenes could be removed and the rest of the episode would proceed without any worsening.

    Honestly, I think all the praise about this being the godfather of isekai has clouded what that anime truly is: ecchi trash. The only reason people dont realize that is that Redo of Healer draws away all the attention, and it takes underage groping to take back a little of that attention.

    Nah, at the end of the day, Mushoku Tensei is a trash-ecchi isekai anime that happens to also tell a good story and was given a nice animation budget. But it's not some masterpiece. Unnecessary scenes like this or the casual 'let's sell a 7yo boy an aphrodisiac!!1' scene prove it.

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    If he kept to inner monologue only (maybe with less frequent disgusting-face), it'd be so much better. Kyon's voice can pull off any deadpan sexual comment. His acts are what put this into gutter territory stuff that prevents me from recommending this to friends/family as good anime in general.

    I quite liked the money talk this episode. It put prices into perspective, and Paul really isn't all that well off compared to his bigshot family members. It entertains me that someone inadvertently burns him when whenever they say "You're polite for Paul's kid."
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    Very interesting how this was portrayed in the anime.

    First, I'm convinced the the English licensor of the LN is censoring a lot of the content... in my opinion for the better (and I'm heavily against censorship). In English, we only see a misunderstanding of him trying to fix her shirt better so she doesn't catch a cold, and as he's doing that she wakes up and hits him. But now that we have the anime, it's jarring to see the differences even when you KNEW the character was a perv, just not this big of a one.

    Now, in the original source (at least WN version), we see this dynamic as well, but as he's fixing her shirt he seems to touch her boobs, not on purpose necessarily at first, but cups a feel to see how she's developing almost in a clinical way and of course enjoys it for a bit. (Relying on Google Translate here)

    Worth mentioning that her navel was showing so that's why he did what he did, in the anime we don't see her exposed like that.

    So I didn't gather he went to touch the boobs at first, but to fix her clothing, but that once he touched them he lingered. There may be a nuance I'm missing, it could very well be that it was just a pretext for him to indeed go in a touch her boobs as his primordial intentions.

    As for the panties part, it didn't seem like he went as far as the anime showed, but nothing worth mentioning. That part was missing altogether in the English LN version.

    I'm not sure if panties is the correct translation, instead of "pants". Like if it's pants, it can be seen as a bit of a prank, but panties is something more sick. But, he was doing something pervy regardless if we go by his expression.

    Then we have the scene that occurred with Sylphiette, he seemed a bit traumatized by that if I recall, so I don't see how he could be so ready to remove someone's panties.

    That said, I agree Buff... it would be better if it was limited to the monologue inside his head, but the perv facial expressions that the animation team decided on. But again, some nuance of how it's portrayed in Japanese may be missing.

    Most of the context in this scene is about waking her up, like in a "you shouldn't fall asleep this way in here since bad guys can take advantage of you if you do", at least that was my impression, but of course... he played that role, enjoyed himself since she wouldn't wake up doing something downright fucked up and then got caught. This is a recurring theme we'll see, and agree with MFauli the lack of introspection on the actions here made it a pointless scene. In a way I'm glad I read the official LN in English and not the WN translations which would make me hard to stomach Rudeus.

    TL;DR: I think he did some pervy things, but the anime made it more pervy than it was even in the original because it's missing some context. The LN English adaptation censored this scene.


    That's all I'll say on this regard.


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    Of course, Eris beating the shit out of him right afterwards was GOLD!

    One thing about this series I really like is the OP song, in a way I very much lament we don't have a proper OP scene to enjoy the song on each episode, but at the same time they put that time to good use bringing us more content, so can't complain.

    Ghislaine is awesome.

    And LOL at the pose this family uses to asks for favors. Completely out of left field.

    Also, glad to see this anime as some details are mentioned in passing that are also mentioned in passing in future volumes, but I had completely forgotten about them, so it helps me connect the dots. Not very important details, but just adds a bit to future scenes that I was missing some of the context on.
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    I actually got the impression from the anime that she was actually a bit pleased that he was interested in her, but she still doled out an ass beating because tsundere gotta tsundere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Munsu View Post
    That's all I'll say on this regard.
    Is it? Are you SURE you couldn't squeeze out a few more paragraphs?

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    I actually got the impression from the anime that she was actually a bit pleased that he was interested in her, but she still doled out an ass beating because tsundere gotta tsundere.
    Not sure, but it was indeed odd that she didn't wake up through all of that. But sure, I think she's liking his attention as time goes by, and probably felt pleased after the fact.

    Is it? Are you SURE you couldn't squeeze out a few more paragraphs?
    Well, only interested in mentioning the differences I perceived in the different mediums and keep noticing that the English LN censored a lot of the content, which I only come to appreciate now. At first I thought the Japanese LN changed some of these aspects from the original source, but I think the English versions is going even further than what the official LN published.

    Don't care to delve again into the discussion of morality, ethics, etc. again. But I'll say he's coming as much more of a creep at times than what I envisioned when I first read through this in the official LN translation.

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