Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
How about you read what I wrote?
It's really not fun discussing this if you fail at doing that.

I gave you a specific "ecchi" scene. I didn't oversimplify everything I didn't make a general statment that will cover "all scenes and every scene we haven't seen yet"



Unrealistic?
Jesus christ. And the fact that she made that humiliating choice is exactly what I'm talking about.
Do you think she took that lightly? Considering that like 5 whole minutes or so were dedicated to this and portrayed in a very gloomy atmosphere?
She was about to end everything just there.
Rudy was the reason she did not.
Her not wanting the maid AND her child to die was what made her choose this over the other.

Why do you ignore something so important just to forward a stupid agenda of some kind. I don't get it.
It's really below me.

Do you think there is a "correct way" to resolve this situation?
If so, how and why. This is something even modern day people can't solve without feelings involved.
Not every betrayal is met instantly with a break up.
Considering we are looking at a medieval setting here, even less likely during that time.

If you talk about Paul's past, do you honestly think his wife doesn't or didn't know how he ticks?
They went adventuring together. Obviously she was not the only girl in the party, obviously he also made out with the beast girl, as we all know by now.
Seems more like she somehow made the "bad boy" stay with her and hoped he would stop adultering when she can occupy him, but it seems like his libido is stronger.
Maybe that's also why she could make a decision like that - since she knew how Paul is. Obviously he is a beast and degenerate, but even these people have family. And again... all that talk I did just now comes from all these "ecchi" and ero talk we are hearing about. And it's not like Paul would throw any of his wives and girls into the gutter just like that. He traveled and lived together with them for a while. He has some standards too and is usually trying to be a good guy.
Even the maid thought that she isn't all that innocent, so once again, obviously there is something to Paul that attracts the other sex. He is good looking, well build, young and attractive and basically a noble after all. And also kind.

That scene was not something without any meaning.
You can also look at Roxy here who is like.... training the 7th prince of XYZ in magic. Very unlikely that these kids are all from 1 wife, you know?

edit: but this is already more than I was willing to write about this "issue".
I'm trying to enjoy anime and I will obviously put thing X about Y because I'm having preferences, But some things are just objectively better and more well done than others. And this is without question one of the better animes, not just better Isekais. I wouldn't really call any anime a masterpiece (or perfect in every way) because literally every anime has shit in it and sometimes that shit is actually needed to advance and tell a proper story. I don't know any masterpiece movies either, so I don't know what the general requirements are for something to call that.
If someone doesn't see a masterpiece as "perfect" but just as something very good, I guess this show is pretty close to it.
You'll be upset, but: You're just making flimsy excuses for dumb ecchi shit.

Yes, Zenith was gloomy for one scene in which she DIDNT interact with her husband. Then timeskip and she's all smiley-smiley with her daughter and the daughter of her companion-wife. In all these scenes, not ONCE die she interact with Paul, her husband. THAT would have been meaningful and potential development. Because that's the part that matters. How did they go on to life together? Has she forgiven him? Do they share the same bed again? Is the maid now wife #2 or is she off-limits? Is Paul truly faithful now or is he not? (his proud comment about defeating wolf warrior in bed makes this doubtful). Basically everything that would have been meaningful development didn't happen. What we see is the aftermath of a generic hentai: Guy ends up with two hot girls. Kewl.

Then you have Roxy being groped by the rich kid and not react to it emotionally. That's on the same level as the merchant in last episode. All I can conclude from that is that this WHOLE world is full of ecchi, and that this behavior is normal there. But the only way to accept that is by acknowledging that this is a dumb ecchi-anime, because if you wanted to depict REAL medieval times, you'd have to portray all the sex-related mischief as more negative. Mushoku doesn't do this, however, it's all "funny" or otherwise inconsequential.

This goes to Kraco, as well:
I know that there are other, worse Isekai shows. I've seen too many. I am enjoying Mushoku. But I can enjoy an ecchi isekai AND acknowledge its shortcomings. Is this only better than other trash, or is it a good fantasy anime? Because imo it's definitely not the latter. When I think of good fantasy anime, I think of Record of Lodoss War. And if you want to claim that Mushoku is anywhere near Lodoss' quality, then you're clinically insane. So at best this anime is better than, say, Smartphone Isekai. Cool. But that doesn't mean it's "good". I'm enjoying it while it's airing, but I'll probably never rewatch it. Afterwards, I'll slowly forget about it, maybe not, but only because of the controvery it arose. Meanwhile isekai like Re:Zero or SAO (the beginning) will always stay with me and I'll rewatch them because they're bonafide GOOD. Shows like Kumo Isekai might join that rank, Overlord getting nowhere in S3 is leaving it.

Ask yourself this: Would Mushoku be any worse if ALL the ecchi scenes (not counting the flashback to his old life) were missing? I can answer that with a definite NO. If the author wanted to portray Rudy's struggle with old, nasty habits, he could have done that A ) all inside his head, and B) without the cringe hentai-grin. Rudy is voiced by frikkin Kon's voice actor, WHO BETTER would be able to act the thoughts of a distressed mind?! No need to show and act out any criminal pervert scenes, just have Kon argue with himself. It was such an obvious choice, but instead they give Rudy a cheap pervert grin. sigh

Again, because I want to make this clear: I'm mostly enjoying this anime. And I'm okay with degenerate scenes, with ecchi, with gratuitous rape, with any heinous shit. I'm 100% against censorship and pro-creative freedom. But: I want it to make sense. That's what makes a good story. Internal logic. And Mushoku is missing that internal logic whenever it tells us anything ecchi. You know what would have been more meaningful and thus better? If Rudy had full-on raped Eris. Rape her, satisfy his own nasty urges. Then afterwards DEAL WITH IT. Show us what it did to Eris (and no, not in the Zenith-way of showing her all happy and fallen in love with her rapist ...). Show us how she lost all her confidence suddenly and is shy and such. Show us Rudy feeling miserable about what he did and how he intends to make up for it (admit his crime and go to prison/execution? Be sent on a punishing mission? Avoiding punishment, but ask for Eris forgiving + maybe taking responsibility and marry her? Etc, etc.. ). THAT would be meaningful development. When the merchant offers him an aphrodisiac, have Rudy make a loud scene how dare that old man tell a 7yo kid about sex and stuff!!1, like that.

This is what makes all this dumb ecchi scenes so frustrating: There's so much potential for a good story, for good development. But it never happens.

Btw, the merchant tried to sell the drug to Rudeus because merchants sell stuff. That's their profession. He asked if Rudeus is from the Greyrat manor, which basically is the same as asking whether Rudeus is a pervert.
That's why he explained in detail to a 7yo boy how he'd be able to "thrust it into a woman 10 times!!1", eh?