What's really going on here is MFauli sees himself in sex creep characters and feels attacked when they get curb stomped.
Uh, it's called a "wondering monster". A doi!Originally Posted by Ryllharu
What's really going on here is MFauli sees himself in sex creep characters and feels attacked when they get curb stomped.
Uh, it's called a "wondering monster". A doi!
Nah, I actually think it's the opposite and the whole encounter was written well. It's not a shonen trope either. It's a typical western book exposition as well and probably included in pretty much all the best-sellers and genre defining stories you can find.But it was such a cool 5 minute fight! And like, there was blood and stuff!
The badly written character interactions of the main cast and the truly ancient Generic Shonen cliché of the "fateful" (read: random with zero build up) encounter with powerspike bad guy from the series billed as the "Grandfather of Isekai" doesn't matter.
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This episode was a significant step backward for a series that has otherwise actually lived up to its legend of quality.
And since it still isn't the actual first modern isekai (just in the shonen/seinen genres), I hold it to a significantly higher standard due to the reputation that its LN fans give it.
If it's not a singular being like in Jobless, it's an overwhelming force that has to be overcome.
No need to belittle what is commonly used to get the audience hooked, even less need to belittle isekai or japenese story writers or LN fans for that matter. It's done that way because it works. And all the big-omega-chad book writers do it as well and in similar fashion.
What kind of build up do you expect from a build up though.
This is the build up to a future interaction and a new story arc, not some conclusion to it?
On top of that, it's a story written with a limited POV, we only get very little knowledge outside of Rudy's perspective. Which is the kind of story-type where this is very common as well.
What I hold high is that the typical trope of "look at this guy, he has beaten our tough guy easily, so he must be super strong" has been enhanced by additional world building and adding an overarching storyline to the whole thing.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 12-09-2021 at 03:32 AM.
This was a pretty consistent event in Rudeus's life, and thus in the big picture of the whole series. He has found himself numerous times in a situation where he's no longer in control, where he's no longer the main character of the whole world. He just somehow had to get through them. Since you don't like how Orsted appeared out of nowhere to do significant things, I reckon you also don't like Ruijerd, who also super conveniently appeared out of nowhere to help Rudeus and Eris cross the demon continent. The emperor loli of the demon world also appeared out of nowhere and scooped an eye out of Rudeus head. In fact that encounter with Kishirika Kishirisu is quite similar to this with Orsted. In both Rudeus kind of had no control over the situation, yet it was he who started them, something very significant happened, but then it was all over very soon and the other party disappeared.But it was such a cool 5 minute fight! And like, there was blood and stuff!
The badly written character interactions of the main cast and the truly ancient Generic Shonen cliché of the "fateful" (read: random with zero build up) encounter with powerspike bad guy from the series billed as the "Grandfather of Isekai" doesn't matter.
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This episode was a significant step backward for a series that has otherwise actually lived up to its legend of quality.
And since it still isn't the actual first modern isekai (just in the shonen/seinen genres), I hold it to a significantly higher standard due to the reputation that its LN fans give it.
I don't know what exactly Ryll expected from this scene, but it was his expectations vs reality that failed, not the story. That's how I see it.
That isekai isn't comparable to Australia or any other developed country from our world. It's an undeveloped world. Slavery is very much a thing. Royal princes are free to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't majorly hurt the royal house. The best fighters in the world are called gods. Bandits are free to be killed by anyone, no police, judges, or courts of law needed.
But if you want to talk about Putin, then sure, let's talk about Putin. Putin can order anyone in Russia (or outside of Russia) to be assassinated. If the person has the audacity of not dying, they will be thrown into a prison, being guilty of not actually dying when killed (I guess Emiya Shirou would find that shocking). But still Russia is more developed than the isekai in this series because it's only Putin and his gang who have the power of deciding between life and death in Russia.
I'd say Orsted is very systematic and proceeds logically if he not only wants to kill the Man-God but also everyone associated with him. Just like Putin wants to kill all serious political opponents and silence their supporters. The only way to utterly remove someone is to make everyone forget such a person ever even existed.
Uh, I don't think anyone here is suggesting dude wouldn't go to jail for this in the real world, but this ain't the real world. There's no police, no law, and they couldn't do shit to him even if there were.
Acting rashly is a commonly agree dumb trait. Like, what are you on about.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Actually it's not, rofl, all you have to do is to give it a postive vibe/outcome and the same deed turns into "acting swiftly". And it's not "dumb" it's a character flaw. Negative traits aren't "dumb" traits, they are weaknesses.
But I see you are not really interested in a discussion anyway, as you ignored like all the points.
So don't bother unless you actually want to bring forth more than:
"XY is *dumb* because I don't agree with it"
Or are you confusing dumb with "bad" or something due to a language barrier? Honest question because non native english speakers like you and myself usually tend to use way harsher words "shit/fuck/dumb/idiot" when they actually mean something else, which is why I have to keep reviewing my posts to get the point across and not sound completely aggressive all the time.
Saying he is a fool is different from saying he is an idiot.
Saying he acted rashly is different from saying he is retarded.
Saying he is bonkers is different from saying he is brutal.
First and foremost though, you are currently doing what he was doing. Judging rashly without enough background information or in your case, willfully ignoring it even to some degree.
That's "dumb", if you get my drift.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 12-08-2021 at 09:09 AM.
"Acting rashly" means you act without thinking, which leaves the outcome of your action up to the heavens. That is why it makes you dumb. You don't get to say its not dumb because it "could" have a positive outcome. Could have a negative outcome, too. You don't know, because you acted ... rashly.
The Orsted defense becomes worse and worse lol
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I'm saying that you can't really differentiate between that and the same action with a positive outcome which is called "acting swiftly" if you have 0 understanding of the situation.
And no, it doesn't make you "dumb". It's a character weakness if it happens too often, as mentioned earlier.
As I mentioned earlier as well, humans don't act only after the outcome is 100% guaranteed.
Are you "dumb" because you judge Orsted without knowing anything about him?
You saw him act, and judge him without any consideration of what is actually happeneing or could be happening?
It's like you are getting to witness an ongoing fight and one of them shoots the other guy and you expect the guy shooting to be a killer, no matter what.
Please, for the love of god, expand your horizon and accept that not everything is like you think it is.
When it comes to books, stories, TV Shows, do you honestly expect everything that is happening is as obvious at it looks?
Are you kidding me?
Are you telling me you don't think every single word and action was placed intentionally?
The very fact that he acted after he heard Rudeus knows the Man-God already means something.
And not necessarily that he is dumb or rash or whatever, not even that he hates the Man-God.
It's a short cameo of a character that will obviously be important to the story at some point and you believe his actions were only meant to show how much of an idiot he is?
It's only when you actually understand that authors and directors use everything in these situations, to give you a lot of background information you have yet in front of you to be properly explained.
It can be as simple as a quirk that is later used to identify a character when it is needed.
It can be a certain action that hints at something in the past, or the lack of an action that hints to something as well.
Etc. etc. etc.
There have been so many details hidden in these answers and the following scene with the Man-God, that someone would be hard-pressed to not accept it as 100% intentional.
Mentioning the name of the masked character - which is japanese
Mentioning that otherworlders don't fear him (so he and the girl doesn't?)
Mentioning that there are curses affecting him (who did it to him, does he hate Man-God due to that?)
Mentioning that Man-God can't see him due to that curse (why??)
Mentioning of "Apostles"
The fact that Orsted knows about the Man-God showing up in dreams.
His reaction the calamity.
His comments on characters he has never met, even knowing their names.
Asking Rudeus to call the Man-God "BEFORE" he dies (if it was translated correctly)
His lack of knowledge about Rudeus, even though he seems to know everyone and everything else
Mentioning Laplace and being able to tell Rudy's mana reserves from his spell.
The fact that he summoned a dragon shield, has scale-like texture next to his eyes.
The fact that he noticed that Rudeus can look him into the eye.
Mentioning that he expects Rudy to know proper healing magic
The fact that they have shown the girl saying that something is bothering her.
The fact that the girl is wearing a mask
The fact that the Man-King knows so much about Ostred even though his curses seem to keep him away from Orsted
The fact that he revived the kid he just killed.
Anyway, when I wrote this down I rewatched the scene once more and noticed that the best girl, Eris, was swiping away Ruijerd's backpack right when the fight started so he could fight properly.
Yeah... let's pretend the Author/Director doesn't care about details. The list could've gone on for quite a bit.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 12-08-2021 at 11:26 AM.
He didn't act rashly. He acted promptly, decisively, swiftly. Pick your choice. That's how your act if you are a fighter. Only a second-rate hunter licks his lips before pulling the trigger. Making the wrong decision in a fight is not the worst mistake: making no decision is the worst. That's how Rudeus acts, btw, because his soul is still the one of a Japanese civilian. Cliches aside, Orsted's on a mission to slay the Man-God and the Man-God's associates, which is exactly what he did. The fact he reversed his decision after hearing Nanahoshi out doesn't change anything. If the woman hadn't been there, Rudeus would have been left dead and Orsted would have walked away just as satisfied, having achieved what he wanted, which is a Man-God apostle killed, as far as Orsted is concerned.
I meet you at night. I feel threatened. I instantly kill you. Oh, turns out you were just a peaceful fellow civilian. But I acted promptly, decisively, swiftly, so good me.
/s
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
"I meet someone at night, I've seen his kind 500 times already, they never shut up about their stupid Man-God, had to fight them every single time - they are strong, strong enough to hurt those around me, they killed my kin when I wasn't fast enough... this time I'm not taking chances."
just one out of a million alternatives that doesn't pretend the character is a white canvas and in a vacuum.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 12-08-2021 at 12:17 PM.
Rudy really is not tuned to a world where you can lose your life over the wrong reaction/word.
He's not careful at all and speaks freely to someone he just meets when he was told to be shut up and not move.
I'll just remember that sequence of events as another lesson, just learn to read the atmosphere, listen to your close ones... or become strong enough you can deal with consequences.
Or somehow it shows how immature he is, regardless of his spiritual age.
Orsted is just a tool for that sequence of events. Please don't catfight around that, haha
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
While I can agree that Rudy doesn't guard his mouth as well as he could, the "shut up and not move" advice he was given here is not based on sound logic.
Orsted has a curse on him that makes people fear or hate him without even knowing who he is or how strong he is. It's an irrational response. He's got Fear as a passive ability.
They're not actually fearing him because he's #2 or known to be lethal.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
But when the strongest person in your party warns you of something, you should listen.
Peace.
good points there - let's face it.
Just like it's cool because there was blood in it.
it's cool to hate on stuff for no real reason.
... from the "side" that shows no attempt to understand the other side either, lol.there is no way to convince you otherwise and not even an attempt to see the other side.
Can you guys really not understand how random/arbitrary/meaningless the whole scene is?
- hero party wanders around
- powerful entity appears
- "kills" hero without listening to anything but "man-god"
- screen fades to black
- hero is alive
- explanation: powerful entity healed him
- why: because powerful entity LISTENED.
- the end
Whether or not you liked the scene, is it that hard to see why others didn't like it? For me, it's a stereotypical shounen scene (Ryll's Bleach comparison is perfect) where something significant happens, but then it actually didn't happen, because the author knows that he'd have to rewrite the whole story. It's just a boring ass "cool, strong guy strikes down hero with much violence!" scene that has no consequence afterwards (spare me your "Eris has a trauma now and Rudy will be more careful from now" excuses).
Again, outcomes that would have made the scene much better imo:
- someone else appearing and healing Rudy (Roxy, his mom, Sylphie, a new character, maybe Eris exhausting herself and healing him, anyone)
- Rudy actually dying, man-god giving him another body (someone who's already 12 yo or so) and going back. Having to prove to Eris and Ruijierd that it's really him. Would have been fun and interesting. And it would have given actual significance to Orsted's attack: Now it'd truly appear as if Rudy is some freakish man-god apostle.
- the worst option, but still better than what we got: Rudy getting his shit together and showing what his magic is really capable of.
What we got, however, was random whatever.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Of course it's random (as quite literally every other encounter or so he had so far is), but why do you think it's meaningless when it's so clearly not? As I have mentioned multiple times already, this conflict told us more about the world and upcoming story than the last 20 episodes or so. These "creatures" and beings exist in that world, that has been established as well since forever. And the bold part is something I can't follow in the slightest where this is coming from as a point of dislike?
He doesn't listen to everyone, he listens to those he thinks are worthy listening to. What's the huge deal?
Isn't that like a normal thing to do, just like you respond a "hello" with "hello", normally? For all the dislike of the abnormal und unlikely, this sure comes up often even though it's completely normal/likely.
Even though Rudy got healed, everything still happened. He didn't disappear from that planet, he is walking around. Aside from these "excuses" you came up with that I haven't made, these too are consequences you choose to ignore, even though they could be important for their character development. Exactly my point of "willfully ignoring" stuff that happens because you disagree with it.Whether or not you liked the scene, is it that hard to see why others didn't like it? For me, it's a stereotypical shounen scene (Ryll's Bleach comparison is perfect) where something significant happens, but then it actually didn't happen, because the author knows that he'd have to rewrite the whole story. It's just a boring ass "cool, strong guy strikes down hero with much violence!" scene that has no consequence afterwards (spare me your "Eris has a trauma now and Rudy will be more careful from now" excuses).
Why would the author even have to "rewrite" the story, he was *writing* it the way he intended it.
This is clearly not some afterthought added into the whole story but a major plotpoint.
"How convenient... that someone else was there"Again, outcomes that would have made the scene much better imo:
- someone else appearing and healing Rudy (Roxy, his mom, Sylphie, a new character, maybe Eris exhausting herself and healing him, anyone)
It would neither improve nor make this scene worse. I don't see the connection to how it would improve it. Explain that to me without ignoring what HIM healing RUDY means or potentially could mean.
So you want to write your own story? What if this isn't the direction this story wants to go in the slightest? Fun and interesting is something a many things are, not just your delusion.- Rudy actually dying, man-god giving him another body (someone who's already 12 yo or so) and going back. Having to prove to Eris and Ruijierd that it's really him. Would have been fun and interesting. And it would have given actual significance to Orsted's attack: Now it'd truly appear as if Rudy is some freakish man-god apostle.
He already did it this way as well, but here you complain about shonen stuffand want to fix them with even more shonen stuff. The fucking irony... again- the worst option, but still better than what we got: Rudy getting his shit together and showing what his magic is really capable of.
What I get from your posting is that you care more about winning an argument on the internet, rather than understanding any of my points. "So you want to write your own story?" - no, I gave a better alternative. If the author writes himself into a corner where the "best" solution he can come up with is the villain himself healing Rudy, then that's the author's issue.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
No not at all. It's not a better alternative, it's only for you(!). You write a completely different plot. What do you expect me to answer with other than that???
What kind of corner are you even talking about? He (the author) could've not killed Rudy but decided to do it and heal him.
Do you *honestly*, like seriously, you start thinking about it and *honestly* believe that the Author wrote a scene that is like half a page long and said "Fuck, I messed up and now my charcter has to heal Rudy - Ah fuck it, I'm too lazy to redo that scene"???
Are you freaking serious? Do you know how old the source material is??? Do you think he wrote this and admitted the story in a live-ticker to his editors and what was once written can't be undone?
That's such a sad take, it's making me angry because of how stupid it is and how far from any reality whatsoever. This isn't an "opinion" of mine.. that's just not how it works, like how 1+1 doesn't equal 3.
That's a straight up made up delusion you came up with there.
THINK for a second and REALIZE, that this is what the author WANTED it to be because that behavior just means something DIFFERENT to what YOU want it to be. There is absolutely no helping you if you think the Author made a mistake and has written himself in a corner by a - what YOU call YOURSELF - random encounter of which it's meaning has yet to be explained properly.
To be able to write yourself in a corner, you need to have a situation where the outcome is set in stone or.... have something that could possibly lead to such a situation. So please, for the love of god, come up with something better. This was by far the worst take you've given so far. The very fact that he could've spawned in Sylphie there that is on some kind of mission. A silly idea that you came up with yourself even, and thought it would've been better, already means that he/she didn't write himself in a corner.
Fuck no - in all honesty and objectivity god gave to humankind..
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 12-09-2021 at 04:37 PM.
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