Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

[MFauli]

Honestly, Munsu, I find how you describe the WN version even worse than the anime. In the anime, he's just a pervert. In the WN, as you describe, he's a pervert, too, BUT he excuses his own misbehavior ('clinical').

At the end of the day, either is too crass.

However, I disagree that it'd be better if it was cut. Censorship is always bad.

That said, as I mentioned before, I'd prefer if there was MEANING to these ecchi scenes. Even if he was a sex-criminal, that'd be ok, a story can happen from there. But just showing that shit, no context, only makes it fanservice. Fanservice for loli fans :/

[Munsu]

Honestly, Munsu, I find how you describe the WN version even worse than the anime. In the anime, he's just a pervert. In the WN, as you describe, he's a pervert, too, BUT he excuses his own misbehavior ('clinical').

He's not excusing it anymore than the anime is, that part is mentioned in the anime, when he's describing the boobs, he's just not salivating over it with that perv face on. That's what I meant. It's not about excusing, but on the level he's portrayed enjoying it... though he DOES enjoy it. But I may be missing Japanese nuances and tone.

Whatever it's a shitty scene.

[MFauli]

Whatever it's a shitty scene.

It really is, and I feel a lot of people don't understand how shitty this anime in its entirety is. Mushoku hides its true degeneracy beneath layers of seemingly good parts, but scenes such as the meaningless groping of a 12yo girl show its true colors. This is the same as Redo of Healer, just with more pretense. That's prolly also why there's a tangible lack of outrage against Redo, whereas I've enjoyed a lot of outrage against Mushoku yesterday and today. This anime tricked people, and now it's revealing itself.

The people being all "this is the godfather of isekai, it's a masterpiece", are real shitheads, lol.

[KrayZ33]

The people being all "this is the godfather of isekai, it's a masterpiece", are real shitheads, lol.

I don't know why you are trying to hate on this show.
This show is clearly better than 99% of the rest in pretty much every area whatsoever.
The fact that there are shitty and sometimes unnecessary "pervert baka hentai" scenes doesn't really devalue it by much, considering that it's hardly the focus of this show and does not take up much screentime either.

The sad truth is that this is also generic anime humor. Just like phyiscal violence is used for comedic effect
So while it's fucking dumb it's still used as humor and as shown during the scene with Roxy we kinda get the drift that he wouldn't really truely do anything serious if the other person doesn't want it.
You can also talk about how MC is "40 years old in his head" - but even that doesn't really matter much when he also nearly cried because his parents thought he did wet his bed when he did some water magic.

The good truth is that "ecchi" scenes like the one with Paul and the Maid actually lead to something that is also seriously discussed in the story, that lead to further character development. Although I can hardly judge that as "ecchi" in the first place.

We can't really compare this to shit like "handy isekai" or "arifureta" (or whatever that was called). If you want to or do, I'd have to question your ability to judge something objectively.

It's also much better balanced overall (so far) than stuff like Slime-Isekai which shows that it's ahead of the mediocre-range too.
We don't even have to just reduce it to Isekai because the Isekai aspect of it all is rather small in the first place. It's a good fantasy world that feels alive right now.