Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

[Kraco]

But it was such a cool 5 minute fight! And like, there was blood and stuff!

The badly written character interactions of the main cast and the truly ancient Generic Shonen cliché of the "fateful" (read: random with zero build up) encounter with powerspike bad guy from the series billed as the "Grandfather of Isekai" doesn't matter.


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This episode was a significant step backward for a series that has otherwise actually lived up to its legend of quality.

And since it still isn't the actual first modern isekai (just in the shonen/seinen genres), I hold it to a significantly higher standard due to the reputation that its LN fans give it.

This was a pretty consistent event in Rudeus's life, and thus in the big picture of the whole series. He has found himself numerous times in a situation where he's no longer in control, where he's no longer the main character of the whole world. He just somehow had to get through them. Since you don't like how Orsted appeared out of nowhere to do significant things, I reckon you also don't like Ruijerd, who also super conveniently appeared out of nowhere to help Rudeus and Eris cross the demon continent. The emperor loli of the demon world also appeared out of nowhere and scooped an eye out of Rudeus head. In fact that encounter with Kishirika Kishirisu is quite similar to this with Orsted. In both Rudeus kind of had no control over the situation, yet it was he who started them, something very significant happened, but then it was all over very soon and the other party disappeared.

I don't know what exactly Ryll expected from this scene, but it was his expectations vs reality that failed, not the story. That's how I see it.

[Ryllharu]

Since you don't like how Orsted appeared out of nowhere to do significant things, I reckon you also don't like Ruijerd, who also super conveniently appeared out of nowhere to help Rudeus and Eris cross the demon continent. The emperor loli of the demon world also appeared out of nowhere and scooped an eye out of Rudeus head.

I don't know what exactly Ryll expected from this scene, but it was his expectations vs reality that failed, not the story. That's how I see it.

What I expected? Better writing each time this happens. Orsted might as well have been a random ass red dragon. That would have been better, because they actually talked about it earlier in the episode. Yes, I am aware he is the "dragon god" he could have been literally anything or anyone else and it would not have made one fucking bit of difference. The fact that he turned around and saved him immediately for arbitrary reasoning from a different character with zero build up either is worse. This is the writing I would expect from Bleach, post-Soul Society when he had obviously run out of properly formed ideas.

I am consistent, yes.

Cons: The Ruijerd storyline. Zzzzzzzz.

Bad stuff first then. The Ruijerd storyline is suddenly and abruptly completely boring as shit. I don't care how you want to count Mushoku Tensei as the "godfather of isekai" the whole, 'You mustn't kill! Even the bad guys!?' plot thread is so old and trite at this point it's not even interesting.

Mushoku Tensei started in 2012/2014, and this trope was old in anime THEN. It was old in 1992 for Terminator 2. It was old in Dragon Ball. I'm honestly not even interested in seeing what (if anything), the series will attempt to do as a different spin. I feel like I've seen every possible iteration of the trope already, and it isn't even an interesting or compelling one to begin with.

It wasn't so much that they had a loli demon, it was the complete tonal shift she brought along.

From a generally grounded and well rooted series to Panty & Stocking type slapstick.

Her section felt like a bonus gaiden manga chapter that's either crossovers, deliberate continuity breaks for fun (e.g. All of the Black Lagoon ones), Momotaro, or Alice in Wonderland themed.

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Just like it's cool because there was blood in it.
it's cool to hate on stuff for no real reason.

When MFauli and I actually agree on something like this, you should reconsider the depth of your own opinion.

[KrayZ33]

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Who are these god-tier writers you read that do better?
Why do you have these expectations, or rather, from whom?

Whether it's Orsted that shows up like this, or the powerful Jedi that is called Yoda on a remote planet that can teach MC to defeat the big bad guy.
You don't have to avoid tropes at all cost. What exactly was the problem? That is what I still don't get because so far it feels like you hate the story telling device because you realized it is a story telling device, but after reading and seeing movies alot, that's what happens naturally.

The fact that he turned around and saved him immediately for arbitrary reasoning from a different character with zero build up either is worse.

There is no objectively false/poor writing with this. How does that reaction even require build up and is not part of building the character itself?
Why do you seek explanations for everything that happens the second it happens?
How does it not make you wonder what the girl could've said?

As for Demon Goddess and Ruijerd.
Do people even realize that the Man-God lead Rudy to them? They don't really appear out of no where without any build up either due to that, or rather, they exist in this world and Rudy is sheepishly following advice from someone he knows nothing about.
And I fail to see why people always want the most common "every day" character as their preferred archtype.
That's super boring. I don't want to look at a bunch of every-day people. I want to see people that have special interest or special points of views.
i.e. "a normal being would have killed the Emperor and Darth Vader here to end the suffering" - f- that. That's not interesting. Is it? The hero is a hero because he is not normal. The villain is a villain because he is not normal.

This scene has some effect that is different from the effect it would have when they met in a bar. And that is all there is to it.


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When MFauli and I actually agree on something like this, you should reconsider the depth of your own opinion.

Oh wow. Seriously? Oh my, oh my. I have you know that you are quite similar to him in a lot of ways, more so than you'd potentially like, especially whenever something comes up you dislike or like as there is no way to convince you otherwise and not even an attempt to see the other side. I will admit that I'm similar in that regard, but at least I'm not purposefully ignoring things that counter my argument and seek to find what the intention was when something happens. Or if I unknowingly do, maybe we should just accept that this are mere opinions no matter what and no one has to reconsider anything. Maybe you should just stop to belittle whatever you don't agree with (like you did just now, or did you not?) and we would be much further ahead in this discussion.

The irony of his comment still stands there right on this page, the other (which was a random attack out of nowhere where he somehow thought I was talking in first person or something) has been removed, sadly.
Talking about how "dumb" it is to judge something when in fact he does the same.
You on other hand, I have to say, didn't bring forth much other than "this is bad writing" for this scene in particular.

For example

Yes, I am aware he is the "dragon god" he could have been literally anything or anyone else and it would not have made one fucking bit of difference.

Was that supposed to say something to underline your point of view? Why did you even mention it?
He is called Dragon God, there are sword and combat styles that are called after them, as we have seen with Paul and some other minor villains so far. If he is one of such, it does at least tell me something and does make a difference.
Stop giving shit to something were it isn't due and I'm fine with it already.