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    I'm not sure what you were expecting if not interpretations. Spoilers? I can't give those since I knew nothing of this series previously. Plus I'd then need to edit my own post to remove the spoiler because they are against the rules.

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    Mfauli isn't wrong to ask these questions, but he can't really complain if people criticize him for it. There are many ways to interpret fiction, but complaining about not being spoon-fed everything will expectedly get you flak. Just understand that as you can think that "the show is wrong because of X" people can also think "you are wrong because of X", and as you want to express those views, others will want to express their views (of your views, in this case).
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    Denji is young, has no famille or friends, doesn't go to school.
    No education whatsoever. I do not expect him to react like a norm that is just
    an average expectation, certainly not a prediction.
    He's already a demon killer, he comes back from death and feels that new power inside his body.
    It's not that strange he starts using those powers and killing demons, like he has been for some time now.
    His organs ? Very strange yes, but not that out of this world, Denji does not seem to be very smart.
    Did you watch the X-files ep with the exact same deal with organs ?

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    About the organs, he was likely coerced by those loan sharks to pay the money back, and without recourse, he did what he could. If he ran, he thought he would get pursued and killed. Even if he managed to fight off a few of them, he probably thought they will eventually kill him. Selling organs to pay debts isn't exactly unheard of even IRL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    About the organs, he was likely coerced by those loan sharks to pay the money back, and without recourse, he did what he could. If he ran, he thought he would get pursued and killed. Even if he managed to fight off a few of them, he probably thought they will eventually kill him. Selling organs to pay debts isn't exactly unheard of even IRL.
    He's a dude who could kill demons, which is something people apparently would rather not do out of fear and leave it to the professionals. If a man with demon slaying skills couldn't escape from mafia, who ever could? I'd say he felt some kind of strange obligation to pay back his old man's debt, and it didn't ever visit his mind to try to avoid the responsibility, even though it didn't have anything to do with him. How the mafia swindled his reward money away spoke volumes about Denji's lack of wits. It was like a textbook case of seemingly paying him pretty decent money, but then suddenly there were all kinds of expenses, leaving him with a mere fraction of the reward. That's the kind of scam that works on the gullible. At least they still paid him something. In some Japanese "comedy" I have seen negative rewards after all the expenses. Wasn't that also the case in Konosuba? It's a part of the insufferable "a hero must always be poor" Japanese trope.

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    I reckon some dude just went "I'll have one of your balls for 50 grand" or something. There's no legit uses for testicles or eyes, assuming similar tech and also that demons/demon slayers don't use them for shit.

    Now thinking about it, it's probably not that sound of an assumption given that people will pay for demon corpses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Kraco, I want to say but this: All of these are your interpretations. I'm not wrong to question these things, just like you're not wrong to answer them like this for yourself. But I have a problem when you guys often answer my criticism with your personal opinion as if I'm objectively wrong.

    I'll keep watching and waiting for answers. Now return to talk about the anime and not about my criticism.
    Nahaaaaahhhh.... that's not what is happening here.
    You are acting if all your questions were left unanswered and acted as if the show is at fault.
    After that you start to make things up like "this and that happened for no reason"
    Or "this and that would've been more realistic".

    If you could at the very least even explain your point of view about an issue you'd have an argument.
    But you are willfully ignoring what is happening in the show because you can't see it.

    Questions like "Why did he sell his eye" and stuff like that are only questions you could possibly ask after the show has shown us and explained it at length as to why he is doing what he is doing.
    You could question his sanity or question the reason why he is trying to pay back the money in the first place but that's not what you are doing.

    You questioned stuff like why he didn't remain hidden in the garbage can instead, completely ignoring the scene that has shown us how he awakened and came back to life.
    You are just not paying any attention whatsoever and yes: You ARE wrong to ask "why didn't he stay in the trash bin". You didn't pay attention, because then you would know that he didn't even had the choice to do so and that it was 100% involuntary.

    Come on, that's exactly what I was talking about.
    It's not even just the visual information, stuff like "why is everyone acting as if devils are normal" just means you have no idea about world building and how that is done.
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    True, Denji gets his body parts to reassemble thanks to fusing with Pochita and stands up in the process: forgot it was not intentional in the first place.
    He is noticed by the zombifier demon, said demon orders his zombies to get back to Denji.
    Denji moves, understands he somehow has Pochita as part of himself and kickstarts the chainsaw motor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    If a man with demon slaying skills couldn't escape from mafia, who ever could?
    People generally don't escape the mafia. They will eventually get you, or at least that is the reputation that they build. Take out a few, then they will go in greater numbers to snuff out those who oppose them. He did have demon slaying powers by using Pochita, but he was a normal human otherwise. He could just get shot in the head while sleeping or walking to get coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Seen Parasyte?
    You're missing the point.

    Nobody goes into a show about a man made of chainsaws looking for grounded reality. Except you apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    You're missing the point.

    Nobody goes into a show about a man made of chainsaws looking for grounded reality. Except you apparently.
    You're being a SJW again. "Why do you complain about female knights in a story where magic and dragons exist?!!!". Just because one element is fantasy doesn't mean all plausibility is thrown out of the window. I LOVE serious, grounded stories that feature ONE fantastical element, hence why I keep watching isekai anime. It's why I love Death Note. It's why the origin stories of all the Marvel-movies are fun to watch where the hero awakens a fantastic ability and shows how that works in combination with the real world. So that's what I expected here. I didn't expect a more gore-y Boku no Hero Academia. That is my fault, admittedly.

    When I started watching this episode 1, I just kept thinking "why isn't he going to the police?", "why isn't he going to the government to be put in an institution for orphans?" and "why does he not run away? Yakuza won't be able to find some random kid". The anime didn't take the time to introduce us to its world properly and while that might still happen in the future, it's not a narrative structure I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    When I started watching this episode 1, I just kept thinking "why isn't he going to the police?", "why isn't he going to the government to be put in an institution for orphans?" and "why does he not run away? Yakuza won't be able to find some random kid". The anime didn't take the time to introduce us to its world properly and while that might still happen in the future, it's not a narrative structure I like.
    I think something that is really holding back your ability to enjoy certain series, not the least of which this, is that you sometimes only view events through a singular perspective most of the time: Your self insert perspective combined with your life's worth of experience and all the time in the world to consider your options from the safety of your chair (like the rest of us). Denji had a different upbringing than most people. He had a deadbeat father who was in debt to the yakuza and died very likely without introducing Denji to some of the social services or government agencies that might be able to help Denji (or even himself). Denji has no formal education and is living alone in a shack. You don't choose to do that if you know it's a choice. He is calorie deprived, so his reasoning is even weaker than normal (and he is not portrayed as very bright in the first place). The yakuza know where to find him and give him 'honest work', so there is no reason to be dissatisfied, except for being hungry sometimes, as far as he knows.

    His reaction to impending death is telling: he has regrets, but not much resentment as this is just his normal- kill or be killed, except with demons more than humans. Little of what I just wrote was mentioned in the episode- I pieced it together from the context of the character and his personality and actions. That practice might help you explain to yourself why things don't always go as you think they should if you were calling the shots. Sorry that it bothers you, but it all makes more than enough sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    You're being a SJW again.
    Lol! Oh yeah. That famous social justice platform "wackier anime". It's all me and the other snowflakes talk about.

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    Well, I finally watched the first episode to see what the hype was about.

    Normally, rotoscoping sticks out like a sore thumb to me and downgrades a lot of what it is present in, but this might be some really deft use of it for the first time. They managed to make the jerky CG animation smooth. It's still a little jarring, but it worked.

    The sound design was really good though.

    I'd kinda be happy with this if it was just a one-shot. This episode felt like a perfect and complete arc all by itself.

    I do get the impression that Denji just traded one organization abusing him for another that hasn't yet, but absolutely will. You can always tell when a story is going to be one of those types of narratives, and this one reeks of it.
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    Episode 2

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    I like where this show is going. I'm sure MC will have his moment, one version of it or another.

    Female Team lead seems to have similar features as "Power". At least her eyes look similar and odd in the same way, but a little different.
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    And the opening seems to be spoiling she's either like Denji or like Power.
    I liked that ep better than the first one, less action. I know, I should'nt be watching that show haha.

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    I couldn't tell the difference between fiend and devil?

    Fiend = possessed.
    Devil = the being that is possessing?

    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    And the opening seems to be spoiling she's either like Denji or like Power.
    Does it? Because of that parasite thingy that grows out of the feelers of snails?
    I took that image metaphorically since she seems to be manipulative.
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    Devil = The supernatural beings that devil hunters kill e.g. Pochita.
    Fiend = When a devil possesses a human body. The human consciousness is gone, and only the devil persona remains e.g. Power
    Contracted Devil = Different from possession. The devil retains its form but provides power to the human contractor. Pochita allowed Denji to use him as a weapon/tool, the zombie devil turned his contractors into zombies.
    Denji's situation = Devil provides its heart to a dead human. The human consciousness is intact. The devil consciousness is alive but dormant.
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    Denji's inner thoughts read T-Shirts at hot topic.

    After two episodes, the I'm comfortable with the texture and direction. Really good stuff.

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    Power seems fun.

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