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    I don't think you can say fear of guns is majority either, when video games with guns and violence are the most popular form of entertainment nowadays. People LOVE their guns.

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    Existential dread and sex are topics too broad to easily clump together into one devil. The other devils are much simpler, like bat, worm, gun, blood, chainsaw. I don't think complex ideas can become devils due to how differently interpretations can be, and therefore much harder to be a clear target of fear from the populace.
    Disagree, if only because the opposite is true apparently, with the gun devil behaving like some titanian force that is NOTHING like a gun. So I can see the reverse also being true, a "vague" fear turning into a devil, too.

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    Isn't the gun devil just a huge gun that blasted an entire region away? I don't think it was the gun devil itself that flew around ravaging places. I think it shot those areas.

    Also, people love fake guns, be it toys or in video games or in fiction. But that is certainly not the case for real guns, especially if they are not the ones holding them. I have a license to carry, and even then I feel anxious just having a real gun in arms reach. Deadly weapons are no joke. US might be weird in how big the gun culture is, but even gun enthusiasts know guns are scary, which is why training is necessary. That's also one of the biggest reasons people own guns, i.e. to defend themselves from gun-wielding criminals/threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Disagree, if only because the opposite is true apparently, with the gun devil behaving like some titanian force that is NOTHING like a gun.
    Keep in mind that in English "a gun" also includes artillery, as long as it's not rocket artillery. The gigantic cannons of battleships were also guns. The tactical nuclear weapon shooting artillery pieces were also guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Isn't the gun devil just a huge gun that blasted an entire region away? I don't think it was the gun devil itself that flew around ravaging places. I think it shot those areas.

    Also, people love fake guns, be it toys or in video games or in fiction. But that is certainly not the case for real guns, especially if they are not the ones holding them. I have a license to carry, and even then I feel anxious just having a real gun in arms reach. Deadly weapons are no joke. US might be weird in how big the gun culture is, but even gun enthusiasts know guns are scary, which is why training is necessary. That's also one of the biggest reasons people own guns, i.e. to defend themselves from gun-wielding criminals/threats.
    But it still means people have not much fear of guns in their everyday experience. Ofc, that has somewhat changed in the USA with all the mass shootings, but it's still not enough fear, otherwise they'd change their laws ...

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    I'm in the US, and people are afraid of guns. The reason why the "law" can't be changed is because it is an amendment to the constitution, and is insanely difficult to change in today's political climate. Not only that, the gun lobby is very powerful and controls many government officials.

    In reality, the vast majority of humans would freak out if they see someone brandish a gun in public, especially if they believe it to be real and loaded. Even in open-carry states where some weirdos do just that, the normal folk are still scared and try their best to move along and not be targeted.

    Remember that the reason gun restriction laws exist in many countries is precisely because of the fear of guns. They are very dangerous, and fearing dangerous things is expected and normal. That explains why the gun devil is so powerful.

    As for the gun devil simply existing, it doesn't need a lot of fear. I don't think chainsaws command as much fear as blood or bats, but Denji exists. Even a moderate amount of fear seems to be able to spawn devils. There is also that worm devil.
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    My question is...does the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series exist in this world, and if so, is Denji way more powerful expressly because of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    you picked the one from my list that might not fit.
    I just picked the most obvious one.

    Grievance > Guns? Sex > Guns? Air > Guns? Even Water and Fire, while potentially quite scary, have plenty of positive associations besides causing death.

    Meaning of life is basically the same thing as existential dread. So I agree with that one.

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    Lots of stuff to fear about sex.
    Granted. But not more than GUNS.

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    Isn't the gun devil just a huge gun that blasted an entire region away?
    They didn't show it. So we don't know.

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    Even a moderate amount of fear seems to be able to spawn devils. There is also that worm devil.
    There was a Tomato Devil! Who spawned that?! People with allergies?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    There was a Tomato Devil! Who spawned that?! People with allergies?!
    As hard as it's to believe, there actually are people who don't like tomatoes. Maybe, especially when they were younger, they were always afraid of being forced to eat their tomatoes. The devil wasn't strong at all, so the fear didn't amount to much.

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    Tomato devil and even Pochi makes me realise that demons can be very local and be born from a fear appearing in a small area.

    Pochi was maybe born in a forest where a chainsaw accident happen in a wood workers group. So like 10 to 50 people got different levels of fear after the incident.

    Tomato devil: school kids being forcefed local tomatoes hahaha.

    Gun devil powers probably come from the fact the fear that spawned it is spread across the USA population and maybe more thanks to the TV coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    Gun devil powers probably come from the fact the fear that spawned it is spread across the USA population and maybe more thanks to the TV coverage.
    Also, like...every war for the last half century?

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    That's from our world perspective.
    Now that you point it out, as written here, there are some subtleties like corporation trying to sell weapons against devils.
    So maybe you need some kind of process and fear in multiple individuals to get a devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    But it still means people have not much fear of guns in their everyday experience. Ofc, that has somewhat changed in the USA with all the mass shootings, but it's still not enough fear, otherwise they'd change their laws ...
    We could start a debate here, but it's not like the US could even do anything about it at this point.
    The guns are already in the system. You will never get them out.
    I wonder, if this were Chainsaw man, banning guns in America would probably lead to fearmongering and increase the power of the gun devil at this point.
    Right now, propaganda paints guns as your "best and trusty buddy".

    Disagree, if only because the opposite is true apparently, with the gun devil behaving like some titanian force that is NOTHING like a gun. So I can see the reverse also being true, a "vague" fear turning into a devil, too.
    I just don't see how this is connected.
    But I agree that vague fears can turn into devils nonetheless
    It's just that these things are most likely far, far less likely to actually matter in your/anyones every day life.
    While guns, as told in this episode, were part of their everyday life. And when the armed assault happened in the US, it was part of *everyones* life.... in the whole country.
    And who knows how "Africa" looks like in Chainsaw Man.
    In that instant, it seems like the Gun Devil was created which in turn had a cascading effect on every single devil.
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    Anyway, do devils stay dead? Like, they kill the gun devil. So what? People are still scared of guns.

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    New one might spawn.
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    I'm just glad to know that guns are apparently somewhat effective against the devils, even through they are supernatural in nature... well, enough to have been marketed as such. That gives hope that a regular non-devil-contract person could potentially face them.

    Also interesting that eyepatch senpai somehow negotiated a one-time payment of eye-for-arm, while Aki has to serve up more flesh for each 'billable hour' of his fox devil.

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    Billable is better. He can heal back skin, after all. Eyes, not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Billable is better. He can heal back skin, after all. Eyes, not so much.
    Except she just gets a power she can use however she wants. If he needs to use the fox a bunch in a row, he could end up with no skin.

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    But his power is much more potent. He gets the use of the entire fox that can eat devils versus just an arm.
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    Episode 06

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    That girl pissed me off so much, but at the same time I enjoyed that the professionals were the ones who broke.

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    I can't imagine Kobeni continuing her work in the agency. She didn't regain her wits even after stabbing Topknot-Aki. There's no way she could continue anymore. I guess it's off to the sex industry for her. I'd say Arai still might have a chance. He didn't become a total witless wreck yet, and in fact he only started breaking when things looked hopeless. Kobeni was pretty much broken from the beginning, not broken in a good way for that particular job (like Denji) but the worst way. She's pure dead weight, who actively endangers her colleagues. A transfer to a health delivery service or soapland is waiting for her.

    A chainsaw's most crucial part is the looped chain, which is without an end or a beginning. I wonder if that's why the Eternity Devil is afraid of it, because there's some philosophical similarity. But then again, an eternity of pain is probably the more concrete reason, like Denji guessed.

    Aside from all that, I guess only in Japan a superior would pressure an unwilling underling to start smoking. There can't be many developed countries left where smoking is still fashionable and favourable.

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    Kobeni's probably better equipped for this than most, even if that's not good for her. Himeno said that it's the crazy devil hunters that evoke fear in devils; not the capable ones per say. Sex work versus government employment... not a choice I envy.

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    Aside from all that, I guess only in Japan a superior would pressure an unwilling underling to start smoking. There can't be many developed countries left where smoking is still fashionable and favourable.
    I think Asia, China and Japan specifically, have among the largest per capita smoking populations in the world, and it isn't nearly as stigmatized over there.

    Himeno's development arc was interesting and made her hit harder when she thought she lost Aki and her cracks began to show. Looks like there is no usage cap on the ghost arm, either. Strangle, scoop, or restrain... anything an arm might need to do.

    We sure Power isn't the fib devil? Funny that her 'delirium' was just her normal Nobel prize self. I wonder how much time had passed in there (to them).

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