Chainsaw Man

[KrayZ33]

I have no idea why you think in a world, where death is around every corner as is shown by the existence of devils on the streets, society would behave and work the same as in a country where you can life in peace and not fear for your life every second.
Does the police have special powers?
Does the goverment enact special laws?
Are kids taken care for normally or are orphans used by the state to fight demons for example?
How old is Denji. At what age are people allowed to work for the goverment? (In real life and in this show)
What else?

I could turn that list 100 pages long. Again - we/you are just assuming everything is the same, when there isn't much yet to suggest either side of the coin.

Denji is literally a death-row convict that can only life if he is willing to fight demons.
His rights as a human being were taken away from him right before our eyes and you are telling me society is the same?

[fireheart]

I have no idea why you think in a world, where death is around every corner as is shown by the existence of devils on the streets, society would behave and work the same as in a country where you can life in peace and not fear for your life every second.
Does the police have special powers?
Does the goverment enact special laws?
Are kids taken care for normally or are orphans used by the state to fight demons for example?
How old is Denji. At what age are people allowed to work for the goverment? (In real life and in this show)
What else?

I could turn that list 100 pages long. Again - we/you are just assuming everything is the same, when there isn't much yet to suggest either side of the coin.

Denji is literally a death-row convict that can only life if he is willing to fight demons.
His rights as a human being were taken away from him right before our eyes and you are telling me society is the same?

Actually yes, even more so. In a world with so much chaos for the world and death around every corner to look so much like our own I expect the government to have a pretty good handle on things so that it doesn't fall to anarchy/ruin. I could ask instead why you don't think the government would have things together when it looks like society is pretty well functioning minus the devils.

I have no idea if the police have special powers, they might and it's within reason imo since there could be either former devil hunters who transferred or someone that made a contract with a devil.

The government probably has special laws in accordance to devils, but that only means the only difference you can say right now is devils and the impact they have on society. In fact it'd probably be an even bigger issue in this world to take care of all the orphans because of the devils.

I have no idea if orphans are regularly used or not but again based on what's shown nothing indicates that this isn't based on modern Japan and with that as the baseline I expect there to be some kind of care for orphans. Why don't you expect there to be?

No idea how old Denji is, I suspect he's a teenager simply because it's anime. Better question would be asking about Aki instead since he's obviously more of a norm while Denji is obviously more of an exception.

Regarding Denji literally being a death-row convict, yes I still think society is largely the same. Simply because what you're describing is still just devils and their potential impact to how our society would change.

I don't expect it to be exactly the same if that's what you're thinking since obviously the public existence of devils changes things. But it's within reason to expect it to be mostly the same minus what you're able to imagine from something like devils existing.

Yuuji from Jujutsu Kaisen and Denji has a lot in common in terms of circumstances, they're both part human part curse/devil and they're both being monitored and both on death row etc etc.
However Yuujis backstory and circumstances isn't dependent on the government being incompetent.

You're currently coming at me as if the fact that I expect the government to not be a totally incompetent to be such a controversial opinion and that it's stupid to even entertain that it might manage something so basic as child protection for orphans in a world where there's probably more orphans in first world countries compared to in reality.

[KrayZ33]

my point is not that all this couldn't be just a normal town or country like today, my point is that it's not decisively so and that we know and have, so far, seen very little happening about that kind of worldbuildig

I have no idea if orphans are regularly used or not but again based on what's shown nothing indicates that this isn't based on modern Japan and with that as the baseline I expect there to be some kind of care for orphans. Why don't you expect there to be?

Because devils exist and they are exeptionally dangerous and you need people to fight them willingly?
But yeah, the point is that we don't know. For some reason a kid without a family gets to be the buddy of another kid without a family that now both fight Devils for different reasons. That could hint at something or couls simply be a fluke.

Regarding Denji literally being a death-row convict, yes I still think society is largely the same. Simply because what you're describing is still just devils and their potential impact to how our society would change.

So would be a goverment no longer prioritizing compulsory education, especially when they are Yakuza. Either way, Denji not going to school is irregular in in that universe. It's just a matter of how they've done it. Considering even in Germany, where it's actually *illegal* not to send your kid to school, kids being homeschooled illegaly here is already a point to be made that this itself could be one such case, considering the enviroment he grew up in.

The government probably has special laws in accordance to devils, but that only means the only difference you can say right now is devils and the impact they have on society. In fact it'd probably be an even bigger issue in this world to take care of all the orphans because of the devils.

And just about everything else is unknown other that people go to work and that people still live in cities and that the goverment is keeping things in order more or less.
Considering that Devils are also part of the school curriculum already means it has an impact on education as well, obviously it does, but it just doesn't mean that nothing negative could have possibly happened in that regard.

I'm no expert on homeschooling but who's to say this wasn't "done" here.
Afaik Japan doesn't allow this or it's basically non existent for japanese children, not for foreign children though as they are not required to send their kids to school. Depending on the country, sometimes there aren't even any checks regarding education, or even worse, you don't even have to tell the goverment that you are homeschooling your kids.

You could obviously spin this further and further but that's not the point.
The point is that assuming everything is normal or the same even though we have hardly any background information about anything, especially not in the first episode, which looked like the whole world is a desolate place with hardly anyone around (which itself is saying something as well btw.), is a one sided point of view.
And even in this episode the scenes didn't feel like Japan to me at all, at least not the same Japan I see in other anime.
The very old-schoolish western goverment building being the weirdest one of it all.
I'm getting cold-war vibes more so than I'm getting Japan in 2020 vibes.

Right now, I can't even tell if we've seen an electronical device... I might have missed it though.
At first I thought it was weird that someone in this day and age would use a telephone booth to call in an emergency.... but then I saw on youtube that these things actually ARE used for exactly that, calling in emergencies during earthquakes and stuff like that.
Yet at the same time, there are zeppelins flying above. I've never even seen one in real life flying.

And btw:

Try to find a living person in that scene (not my picture, rewatch it Episode 1 - 15:19)
Does this look like a normal town to you in that scene?

[fireheart]

I'm getting cold-war vibes more so than I'm getting Japan in 2020 vibes.

Right now, I can't even tell if we've seen an electronical device... I might have missed it though.
At first I thought it was weird that someone in this day and age would use a telephone booth to call in an emergency.... but then I saw on youtube that these things actually ARE used for exactly that, calling in emergencies during earthquakes and stuff like that.
Yet at the same time, there are zeppelins flying above. I've never even seen one in real life flying.

I hadn't thought about if I've seen an electronic device, computers or smartphones and if these things are nonexistent it makes it a lot more believable for me that no one knew about Denji/government not doing anything.

Spoiler?
I actually googled it since you said it gave you cold-war vibes and the story takes place in the 90s so it makes more sense to me that they missed taking care of him. Anyway I stand corrected, you were right with your observation and it's not actually weird anymore.

Both shows have an MC that encounters the supernatural, becomes tied up with it and joins an apparently lawful-good agency for reasons. Denji's "less ideal circumstances" vs Yuuji's makes sense given the difference in their premise.

They have a lot of surface level similarities, if you check deeper obviously there's going to be differences but it doesn't make my statement that they're both part human part curse/devil and they're both being monitored and both on death row any less true.

[Buffalobiian]

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They have a lot of surface level similarities, if you check deeper obviously there's going to be differences but it doesn't make my statement that they're both part human part curse/devil and they're both being monitored and both on death row any less true.

The similarities you listed in the above is true. Also both are MAPPA shows.

I was specifically replying to this bit, and hence why I broke down character motivations and circumstances being the differentiating factor going forward:

Thinking about it a bit there's bound to be a big bad guy in the show like every other show, so it might just be that Makina is aware of it and think that having Denji on her side increases their chances of winning same with Power. Though there's no information of this and just going of what I'd expect from a shounen show. I don't remember why Gojo was so quick to accept Yuuji in Jujutsu Kaisen or if they even talked about it, but surmise it's probably similar reasons.

[fireheart]

The similarities you listed in the above is true. Also both are MAPPA shows.

I was specifically replying to this bit, and hence why I broke down character motivations and circumstances being the differentiating factor going forward:

Thanks for clarifying what you were replying to, while I do agree I'm not sure how much the main characters individual differences will play out in terms of Gojo/Makina. Though I still lean towards Makina just using both Denji and Power for their strength but didn't want to dismiss the idea that she and Gojo could have had the same reasons.

[MFauli]

my point is not that all this couldn't be just a normal town or country like today, my point is that it's not decisively so and that we know and have, so far, seen very little happening about that kind of worldbuildig

And yet your and others' first reaction to MY interpretation was "you're wrong".

What you should have reacted with instead: "Hm, maybe, but this is what I think: blablalbla".

Why must it always be worded as an attack against me? Really sucks, sorry.

[KrayZ33]

And yet your and others' first reaction to MY interpretation was "you're wrong".

What you should have reacted with instead: "Hm, maybe, but this is what I think: blablalbla".

Why must it always be worded as an attack against me? Really sucks, sorry.

Maybe you should just actually read what you have written and what I have written. Maybe then you would actually understand that I didn't even say "you are wrong". I said completely different things.
Again, stop it with your "I'm a victim"-lyre.

Just read the stuff again, your stuff too. Point me to the moment I said "you are wrong" and when you found it, rewatch the scene and think again as to why asking the question "why didn't he stay in the trash bin?" is wrong.