Most HATED anime tropes discussion

[neflight86]

This is the problem: Stop creating new genres, new categories, new rulesets. Create SINGULAR, UNIQUE, INDIVIDUAL stories. That's what sucks about isekai as is now, and villainess isekai are just another variation of that.

The issue is that by not abiding by genre guidelines, readers are left without descriptors of the content and many aren't interested in seeking out the nuance of a work before taking the plunge and trying a show out... or dismissing it altogether. Shows that don't conform to genres can be great, but are a hard sell when unless there's a marketable hook. Slice of life (shows about nothing in particular) deal with this all the time and only get by because they are essentially guaranteed to be filled with cute girls. I wish for more non-standard shows but I can understand why we don't get them.

Fantasy worlds with video game mechanics for no logical reason.

If you're inside a VR game or simulated reality, fine. But if you're in an actual fantasy world, wtf are there levels and status screens?

I also hate this because it is a tacit agreement between author-kun and the audience that 'neither of us are going to take this world building very seriously- its a video game, got it?'

It assumes the reader is a simpleton who doesn't care about the craft of storytelling and simply wants to consume entertainment with a side of fanservice. That may be true, but I don't like it rubbed in my face like that.

[Death BOO Z]

bad tropes:
regular day assholes that are 100% willing to become murderers/rapists at a moments notice. not a single line of morality that they won't cross, even though the worst thing they have ever done was hit the unpopular nerd in school. this is a prop, not how humans act.
romance stories where the main couple never interacts directly, and spend most of the time in contrived separation.
fantasy stories that invent the magic equivalent of modern technology - phones, televisions, household appliances.

good tropes:
when it's an isekai story and there are multiple people who got sent there at different times and their actions mess with each others plans inadvertently. or just stories that smart people make smart plans which fall apart because other smart people (not their enemies) also made smart plans. like Spy X Family, Love is War and Youjo Senki (Tanya the evil).
sport stories where the sport is low-stakes and the focus is on how the characters relate to it, and sometimes the big game is just 20-30 people in the crowd. like High score girl, Destroy all humans - they can't be regenerated (before it turned to shit).
stories where the world changes because of the things that happened in the story during the plot (not afterwards).

[MFauli]

Some more:

- "Characters in shounen never die"; unless it's made a super-huge deal. It's one of the reasons why I hate One Piece. You see those dramatic fights, liters of blood, characters look like they're dead. But then an arc ends, Luffy is healed, and on some side panel you see what happened to the villains Luffy beat: They're alive and well, whether they're in prison or elsewhere. Same with Naruto (Neji's death is the most random, unfair bs lol), Bleach (why tf couldn't the author even kill off clearly evil guys?!) or Boku no Hero Academia (fuck you, blood girl). Literally THE father of shounen, Dragon Ball, manages to kill off characters and, while reviving most heroes, has most villains stay dead. So don't tell me there's a rule where villains cannot die in shounen. But same with good guys. "They're children, they cannot die, then it wouldn't be shounen", oh fuck off, anime like HXH are so brutal and gruesome and still called "shounen", but children dying would be the one "too much" thing? Don't believe it. And Chouji should have died.

- "Girls being hot af, but oblivious of sex", this is a big one for me and it's getting more frustrating the older I become. WHY have anime full of sexy, hot, beautiful girls with perfect bodies sporting huge curves ... but NEVER make use of them?! 99% of anime are tease straight from hell, showing us the goods, but nobody ever gets to use them. It's plain stupid why all these anime girls have such sexy bodies when there's clearly no need for it in-universe. It's 100% a tease for the audience and that's what makes it so dumb, because what are the authors of these shows thinking, that the viewers cannot find some hentai themselves? I really wish anime would tone down ecchi designs when they don't have the faintest of plot relevance, plot relevance being "boy wants to fuck girl", so really not much. But we get NOTHING. Just stupidly sexy girls who seemingly exist in a vacuum.

- "Adults dumb, children/teenagers smart"; that's a trope I couldn't hate more. When an anime features a teenage cast of heroes and all the adults are portrayed as ignorant if not outright dumb. Okay, so the teenage heroes have witnessed aliens landing in a spaceship and adults don't believe them: Then don't stop at that and show us, how the teenagers keep pressuring adults to believe them until the adults follow them and see the aliens for themselves, and then the plot evolves from there. As an adult myself, it's so frustrating how apparently being old means being ignorant of the world which I'm not and refuse to be painted as. In general, I wish more anime would be open to mix various aged characters more willingly, there's no reason why the heroes must all be adults or all be teenagers, just mix them as the plot requires.

The issue is that by not abiding by genre guidelines, readers are left without descriptors of the content and many aren't interested in seeking out the nuance of a work before taking the plunge and trying a show out... or dismissing it altogether. Shows that don't conform to genres can be great, but are a hard sell when unless there's a marketable hook. Slice of life (shows about nothing in particular) deal with this all the time and only get by because they are essentially guaranteed to be filled with cute girls. I wish for more non-standard shows but I can understand why we don't get them.

Thing is, even IF an anime stayed within the "established"" isekai rules, so much could be achieved by simple doing it better. More quality. More diligence. And, of course, better animation. 99% of isekai anime have the worst, cheapest animation and the worst writing and the blandest character designs. There is no rule why that must be the way it is :/ But alas, that's another topic ...

[DarthEnderX]

WHY have anime full of sexy, hot, beautiful girls with perfect bodies sporting huge curves ... but NEVER make use of them?!

The same reason every movie ever is full of hot girls and guys, even the ones that aren't porn.

Seriously, this is like going "Why did you hire Scarlet Johansson for this if you aren't gonna make her fuck?!"

[MFauli]

The same reason every movie ever is full of hot girls and guys, even the ones that aren't porn.

Seriously, this is like going "Why did you hire Scarlet Johansson for this if you aren't gonna make her fuck?!"

Simply not true. Especially in the past 10 years.

[KrayZ33]

Simply not true. Especially in the past 10 years.

why is it not true, lol.

It's literally the same thing.

[MFauli]

why is it not true, lol.

It's literally the same thing.

No it's not. Literally ALL anime are filled with ultra-sexy girls.

Hollywood-movies nowadays rarely feature any outright "sexy" women, they're all normal-looking, at most normal-attractive. You're trying to spin reality as if movies were full of Pamela Anderson with giant boobs and half-naked outfits. That's not the case.

And don't bother continuing this exchange if you can't admit I'm right, this is super dishonest to claim it ain't. Again, almost every anime features hentai-level girls with exaggeratedly sexy bodies that only exist to get fucked. This is in no way comparable to most western movies.

[KrayZ33]

I seriously think you don't know what a normal woman looks like.

Touch grass.

What you see in Hollywood are usually already way above average looking women.


To claim that almost every anime features "hentai level girls" is dishonest as fuck too, because that's just the shit you watch. Or if I'm going to take you word for word ("literally ALL anime are filled with ultra sexy girls"), I'd have to think you find the girls in Lucky Star ultra-sexy, weirdo.
Many/most are more "cute" than anything else, and guess what, old people watching anime for cute girls is nothing new.

[MFauli]

I seriously think you don't know what a normal woman looks like.

Touch grass.

What you see in Hollywood are usually already way above average looking women.


To claim that almost every anime features "hentai level girls" is dishonest as fuck too, because that's just the shit you watch.
Most are more "cute" than anything else, and guess what, old people watching anime for cute girls is nothing new.

Ok, have fun trolling yourself.

This sucks. Why lie? You know exactly what I mean, you know I'm right, but you disagree, because ... REASONS. Sucking all fun out of even trying to discuss anything here. Bye.

[KrayZ33]

How am I supposed to know what you mean if you obviously mean something different from the stuff you write?

Either you admit that there are many animes that aren't filled with sexy girls.
Or you change what you are saying into "I hate that those animes that have sexy/ecchi girls where nothing happens"

Like... telepathy doesn't exist, and when you say different things they have different meaning.

I could also give you an example of an anime which has sexy girls and sex scenes.
Like Mushoku for example.
It's not even the only one that comes to mind and I'm not watching a lot of stuff in recent years.
Gonna ignore that too? Just like the Lucky Star example, which is way more common?

There is no fun in discussing shit with you because you aren't living in a reality anyone shares with you.

[Death BOO Z]

my understanding is stories which are filled with fan-service, super sexualized woman, which are somehow unaware of sex and love in general, and don't feel anything regarding it.

trope example being the very sexy female character walking naked into the bath while the dude is there and feeling nothing wrong with it, and not understanding why this might be uncomfortable for him or others.

I'll add to this girls publicly groping one another and talking about how big some other girl breast are in front of their male classmates. this is not how humans act.

people know about sex long before they know about sex. even before they start thinking they want to have sex or don't want to have it. nobody turns 17 without ever having the idea cross their minds.
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MFauli is right about Hollywood, but I'd express it differently. mainstream movies have sexy characters which are sex-less. they don't fuck. a lot of it is the rise of the franchise movies (superhero genre in particular) and the death of drama movies. super hero have love interests, but not a love life. Tony stark supposedly has Pepper Pots and they even have a daughter, but zero on-screen physical attraction. Thor and Jane Foster probably didn't touch each other on-screen since the first movie. Rey and Kylo don't show any arousal towards one another, and Peter Quill (? from the guardians of the galaxy movies) has sex at the start of the series, but it's treated for comedic affect.
and before saying it's just a "Marvel/Disney" thing, I'll start by saying I haven't watched most of the DCMU stuff, but from what I did watch, wonder woman 1 had some on-screen lust, and the only part of of BvS I enjoyed was Clark getting into the bathtub with Lois. but nothing in the JL or the extended version.
basically go watch Patrick H Williams on youtube - for the actual explanation.

[Ryllharu]

No it's not. Literally ALL anime are filled with ultra-sexy girls.

Literally all anime.



Literally ALL anime.



This is exactly because you only watch a very narrow set of anime subgenres and you don't read manga.

You don't see them culminating relationships in most anime because they don't make anime of smut series. It's always offscreen. Even like most novels which have a romance subplot. Because the writing in sex scenes is notoriously and hilariously bad.

[MFauli]

Literally all anime.



Literally ALL anime.



This is exactly because you only watch a very narrow set of anime subgenres and you don't read manga.

You don't see them culminating relationships in most anime because they don't make anime of smut series. It's always offscreen. Even like most novels which have a romance subplot. Because the writing in sex scenes is notoriously and hilariously bad.

Yeah, let's pretend like the following isn't the standard for most anime nowadays:

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And then you compare that to how female actors look like in all the Oscar-winning movies of last year. There's ONE movie with hypersexualized women and it's part of the plot, "The Substance".

[KrayZ33]

Typical,

now only Oscar winning movies can used to show he is wrong.

Lets forget about the aforementioned examples from Death BOO Z, they didn't win Oscars (or did they? probably not) . So the women in Jumpsuits there don't count, even though they are what is currently making the big bucks in theaters.


edit: just saw that "Anora" won 5 Oscars, lol.

[MFauli]

Let's move on, this topic isn't about whatever lies you want to keep telling yourselves. More bad tropes!

[DarthEnderX]

MFauli is right about Hollywood, but I'd express it differently. mainstream movies have sexy characters which are sex-less. they don't fuck.

But that's not even what he said about Hollywood. He didn't say Hollywood movies have sexy women that don't have sex(that's what *I* said). He said Hollywood movies don't even have sexy women anymore.

Let's move on, this topic isn't about whatever lies you want to keep telling yourselves.

"Let's move on. But first, let me get the last word in where I call you all liars."

[neflight86]

- "Girls being hot af, but oblivious of sex", this is a big one for me and it's getting more frustrating the older I become. WHY have anime full of sexy, hot, beautiful girls with perfect bodies sporting huge curves ... but NEVER make use of them?! 99% of anime are tease straight from hell, showing us the goods, but nobody ever gets to use them. It's plain stupid why all these anime girls have such sexy bodies when there's clearly no need for it in-universe. It's 100% a tease for the audience and that's what makes it so dumb, because what are the authors of these shows thinking, that the viewers cannot find some hentai themselves? I really wish anime would tone down ecchi designs when they don't have the faintest of plot relevance, plot relevance being "boy wants to fuck girl", so really not much. But we get NOTHING. Just stupidly sexy girls who seemingly exist in a vacuum.

If you are arguing from a morality standpoint, I sympathize, but attractive characters sell better to audiences so it's probably not going away any time soon. If that is not your beef, it appears you are tired of sexual teasing/suggestion without (it) being accompanied by sexual gratification, which as has been mentioned, is another genre's expertise. It is simply set dressing and character design. Why not make it attractive? For you, is there a difference between attractive and sexy? That might be closer to the root of why we have trouble following your arguments.

regular day assholes that are 100% willing to become murderers/rapists at a moments notice. not a single line of morality that they won't cross, even though the worst thing they have ever done was hit the unpopular nerd in school. this is a prop, not how humans act.

Agree 100%, these cease to be characters (no matter how minor), but shoddy projections of an unskilled writer most of the time. I also like redemption, so I appreciate when bullies get some development and become real characters (or stay bullies and get a real comeuppance). Either way, 99% of people aren't psychopaths who can kill or wound at the drop of a hat.

- "Adults dumb, children/teenagers smart"; that's a trope I couldn't hate more. When an anime features a teenage cast of heroes and all the adults are portrayed as ignorant if not outright dumb. Okay, so the teenage heroes have witnessed aliens landing in a spaceship and adults don't believe them: Then don't stop at that and show us, how the teenagers keep pressuring adults to believe them until the adults follow them and see the aliens for themselves, and then the plot evolves from there. As an adult myself, it's so frustrating how apparently being old means being ignorant of the world which I'm not and refuse to be painted as. In general, I wish more anime would be open to mix various aged characters more willingly, there's no reason why the heroes must all be adults or all be teenagers, just mix them as the plot requires.

I'm with you here. It always comes off as pretty indulgent when super rational, awesome teenagers with their decades of experience have to clean up the feckless messes left by their universally incompetent custodians. Part of my annoyance stems from only being able to portray smart characters by giving them dumb ones to bounce off of, and the rest is a general contempt for authority and a thinly veiled 'my way or the highway' philosophical outlook. High School of the Dead, for how much fun it was, completely submerged in this trope almost every chance it got. An example of a multigenerational cast put to good use off the top of my head is Bakuman: Passionate, creative youths tempered by the experience of the older editor characters, and no one had to look like a clown for it to work (except Kazuya).

[MFauli]

Some more:

- "Hero is a social outcast, despite being handsome, smart and ultra-moral"; I feel like this happens a lot because of authors self-inserting their self-righteous feelings. "I was such a good guy at school, but people bullied me and were mean to me and girls didn't look at me", and that's how you end up with those quiet perfect heroes who sit in the back of the classroom and somehow are unpopular despite ACTUALLY being the hottest guys in school. Which they become once the story gets rolling. Whether it's because they join a sports club, or monsters appear and they're the one who has the courage to protect his school mates, or whatever. I understand that a school setting will always be popular in anime, but there's really no reason to give us these every-same, perfect protagonists. How about a less than smart hero? A chubby guy? An ugly guy? Heck, an ugly girl? And then build the story around that. I'd really like a story where a fat guy (yeah, this is about me lol) shows some courage in terms of protecting others, has a crush on a beautiful girl, and has to go through all the hoops that fat guys encounter irl; meaning: instead of the girl immediately falling for him after being saved once, she still sees only the fat body, so he goes through continued rejection, and only due to a chain of events, she slowly lays off her shallowness. I was super disappointment what they did in Accel World, yeah, the hero was fat, but he was cartoonishly fat and small, so it didn't count imo. Anyway, my point is: Pick one: Social outcast with "flaws" OR hot, smart, perfect.

- "Loli girls"; almost more than a trope, eh? I HATE loli characters. And just to make sure what I mean with loli: Child characters aren't loli. What's part of loli is an unrealistic "adult" touch to their design, almost always involving some degree of sexualization and having them behave like small adults, often even working as soldiers, or scientists, or whatever. These characters have no right to exist, make conversation with non-weebs uncomfortable, and they're almost always annoyingly loud, screaming, unpleasant. The sexualization is especially bad when its combined with flat chests, like, wtf is your problem, mr pervert author?! At least make them "oppai loli" so we can confirm that a fantasy is at play. Anyway, loli suck and hurt anime as a whole.

- "Don't say Voldemor-I mean, sex!"; one more with a sexual background. The whole "handholding is almost the same as having sex"-like attitude that most anime have. Even anime with adult characters most often have them react to any prospect of sex with panic, blushing, and whatever else. Really? It's just sex. Even if you're a virgin, you know what it's about, you've jerked off plenty unless you're an asexual person which these characters are certainly not. Don't mistake that with "I want sex scenes", no, it's entirely about how characters react to anything involvign the topic of sex, even the first steps towards it. A little nervousity is fine, but when I see a 20something character freak out over physical intimity, it makes me lose my suspense of disbelief.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm beginning to think that you might just hate anime.

"What are your most hated anime tropes?"

"All of them."

[MFauli]

I'm beginning to think that you might just hate anime.

"What are your most hated anime tropes?"

"All of them."

Sounds you like you enjoy shitty tropes.