</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chronic @ Jan 4 2004, 05:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> we talking about jounin... not sennin or hokage. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I assume you mean sages instead of sennin..... they are still jounin.... sage isn&#39;t a rank, it&#39;s a legendary title.... their rank is still jounin, so we can talk about Jiraiya and Orochimaru in this discussion.