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    I'd have to agree with Strider on this one. Kimi did attack Lee several times which was met with swift and painful counter attacks. However, I also have to disagree with him about Kimimaro's current curse seal level. In actuality, not only does one of the pages show the curse seal spreading from the three marks into a full blown tattoo-style marking on his chest (right when he makes the first 'bone gauntlet' around his hand against Lee) but the translation for the narration at the end of that chapter was "The frightening blood line ability that requires an activated curse seal!!" or you know, possibly a slightly more accurate translation than that, so it's pretty safe to say by those two pieces of evidence that he has used the first level of the curse seal. Which does bring me back to the point that it looks like he has 2 levels, since the seal IS operating in the same manner as Sasuke's level 1 curse seal did (Increases power vastly, but apparently speed as well, since before the curse seal Kimi could hardly react to Lee's drunken rage, but now he was able to stop Lee's Otome Renge starter with like half a dozen bones, which would SERIOUSLY require some kind of speed overhaul, since it's been made obvious that having the first gate open is quite a boost to Lee) I guess that means Mut@t@ was wrong... if his new signature is to be believed, that would make it twice now. Interestingly enough, since he argued with me by saying that Kimi didn't have a second curse seal form (I might have been reading too much into his argument, however), that would make him wrong yet again if Kimi does have a level 2. I wonder if he'll have to edit his signature again..

    To be a very very VERY late responder, Mut@t@, I assumed that Kimimaro couldn't emit chakra from every chakra hole in his body, because that's been described as an ability completely unique to the most elite of the Hyuuga clan. And since that was the *ONLY WAY* that Neji (equally a close combat freak, just as Kimi has been appearing to be, although we haven't seen any Ninjutsu from Kimi yet) was able to even DETECT Kidoumaru's arrow before it hit him, let alone survive it (The wind displacement bent the oak trees, my friend. That's some hefty punch that thing is packing there. You're not stopping it. At all. Deflecting maybe, but that would require detecting it in the first place, and Neji is FASTER than rock lee without the weights, so saying Kimi is faster would still be quite a leap of faith.) I was saying that a similar situation would have been VERY hard for Kimimaro to survive without a level 2 seal. Even now at level 1, Kimimaro has shown great abilities in close combat, but nothing that would save him from such a powerful and fast and accurate blow. At any rate, we know that Kimi's seal is from orochimaru, as it's the same type of three pronged mark that everyone else has, and spreads out across the body when activated in the same way (although each person's pattern is quite unique) and gives a similar status boost, and because Kabuto said it was. That said, if Kimimaro was so close to dying, it stands to reason that he would have a level 2 curse seal, as coming close to death is the only requirement we are aware of for the level 2 curse seal, and that's all sasuke appeared to go through to obtain it. So, that's a VERY late articulation on why I believe Kimi has a level 2 curse seal, and I'm done living in the past now. In the current situation, I'd find it hard to believe a match with Rock Lee *AND* Gaara against Kimi would be remotely exciting if Kimi didn't possess a level 2 seal as well. After all, Kimi is frightening, but it's hard to believe he's THAT frightening in level 1 form.

    That all being said, I should note that I always feel compelled to respond to Mut@t@'s criticisms. Maybe he and I don't 'jive' well for lack of a better term.

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    WHY IS LEE ON PAR WITH Kimmimaro??

    Originally posted by: Kalean
    Interestingly enough, since he argued with me by saying that Kimi didn't have a second curse seal form (I might have been reading too much into his argument, however), that would make him wrong yet again if Kimi does have a level 2. I wonder if he'll have to edit his signature again..
    wrong. this is just a misunderstanding on your part. i never argued that kimimaro NEVER had the ability to go to level 2. it might have been worded in a shitty way, then; my bad. but all i argued was the fact that even thought we've never even seen a lvl 2 from kimimaro, people were just assuming that he can go lvl 2. yeah, i do believe that kimimaro has a level 2 and he activated his lvl 1 when fighting lee (when the marking spread) because of the similarities in the two curse seals. let me just repeat the reason why i argued that kimimaro does not have lvl 2: because we haven't seen it yet but still people just flat out say he does. i've been just trying to correct that. it's just annoying when people claim random stuff without solid evidence. i hope people are able to understand what i am saying now and what i have been trying to say.

    To be a very very VERY late responder, Mut@t@, I assumed that Kimimaro couldn't emit chakra from every chakra hole in his body, because that's been described as an ability completely unique to the most elite of the Hyuuga clan. And since that was the *ONLY WAY* that Neji (equally a close combat freak, just as Kimi has been appearing to be, although we haven't seen any Ninjutsu from Kimi yet) was able to even DETECT Kidoumaru's arrow before it hit him, let alone survive it (The wind displacement bent the oak trees, my friend. That's some hefty punch that thing is packing there. You're not stopping it. At all. Deflecting maybe, but that would require detecting it in the first place, and Neji is FASTER than rock lee without the weights, so saying Kimi is faster would still be quite a leap of faith.) I was saying that a similar situation would have been VERY hard for Kimimaro to survive without a level 2 seal. Even now at level 1, Kimimaro has shown great abilities in close combat, but nothing that would save him from such a powerful and fast and accurate blow.
    neji is faster than rock lee? saying kimimaro is faster than him would be quite a leap of faith? first, i dunno about neji being faster than lee (i hope someone else can clear this). second, kimimaro is fast, maybe not by a mile, but is just as fast or faster. kimimaro was suppose to have been orochimaru's next body instead of that girl (or whatever it was) for the invasion of konoha. it's been said that it would've gone smoothly and easy if it weren't for kimimaro's illness. that being said, we can pretty much say that kimimaro is a very powerful warrior. if orochimaru (and his 1st/2nd resurrections) was able to take on the 3rd hokage and enma with that random body, then we can tell that orochimaru in kimimaro's body would've destroyed everything. as for kimimaro going against kidoumaru. putting kimimaro in that situation isn't fair cuz their fight could've gone in a totally different way. so there is no way of telling whether or not he would need to use lvl 2.

    At any rate, we know that Kimi's seal is from orochimaru, as it's the same type of three pronged mark that everyone else has, and spreads out across the body when activated in the same way (although each person's pattern is quite unique) and gives a similar status boost, and because Kabuto said it was. That said, if Kimimaro was so close to dying, it stands to reason that he would have a level 2 curse seal, as coming close to death is the only requirement we are aware of for the level 2 curse seal, and that's all sasuke appeared to go through to obtain it.
    i'm gonna have to disagree with you here. we don't actually know that kimi's seal is from orochimaru, we can only assume because it's similar to sasuke's curse seal. which means that's it's not fact. i'm not sure if i remember too correctly but, how his illness became about was never explained. it was only said that his illness kept him from being orochimaru's next body, nothing else.

    NOTE: the part in bold is the most important part in my post. plz read it and think about it.

    EDIT: nm, i figured out what i didn't understand. no need to explain it and i responded to it.
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    WHY IS LEE ON PAR WITH Kimmimaro??

    I guess we agree to disagree on some of those things.. but in seriousness, I find that this...

    Originally posted by: Mut@t@
    we don't actually know that kimi's seal is from orochimaru, we can only assume because it's similar to sasuke's curse seal. which means that's it's not fact. i'm not sure if i remember too correctly but, how his illness became about was never explained. it was only said that his illness kept him from being orochimaru's next body, nothing else.
    is a bit of a tough call. By the same logic, we don't know that anyone except Sakon (because he said so) in the sound 4 got their seal from orochimaru either, but that's just about the safest assumption you can make, given the similarity in every way. I just think that things don't have to be EXPLAINED to be CLEAR. And I will give you that if Orochimaru had Kimi's body in that fight, things would have gone very differently, but then, Orochimaru didn't seem very Taijutsu oriented to me. It seems to me that Oro might not have had the guts to use the bones as much, however, with substandard reasoning behind it. Orochimaru didn't just come to kill the third, otherwise he would've just killed him when he got the drop on him before the fight even started. I think Orochimaru wanted the third to feel emotional pain just as much as physical pain and death, otherwise starting a fight when he could have merely murdered the third in cold blood doesn't seem much like the snake he is.

    At any rate, this thread has far too long a life considering the topic.

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    WHY IS LEE ON PAR WITH Kimmimaro??

    ok...with ALL of what we talked about said... basically the whole point i was trying to get at is...

    LEE IS NOT ON PAR WITH KIMIMARO!

    victory is sweet.

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    but that's the thing, we're not talking about a hypothetical battle, just what's happening now. we haven't even seen kimimaro's full abilities and lee got smashed.
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    WHY IS LEE ON PAR WITH Kimmimaro??

    Originally posted by: Mut@t@
    ok...with ALL of what we talked about said... basically the whole point i was trying to get at is...

    LEE IS NOT ON PAR WITH KIMIMARO!

    victory is sweet.
    Lee is no condition to be on par with Kimi and we don't know Kimis full abilities, so this is kind of open ended discussion we have here.


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