Official Naruto 77 Discussion **SPOILERS**

[?igma]

Originally posted by: Kagari
I love the opposite extremes of posters in this thread....there are intelligent watchers, (i.e. jonny-mt, assrtnfailure, and neji-aniki-sama).....

and then there's the little dbz mites who think anything without huge jutsus and battle scenes is a waste of time (outtawack, konohamarucorps, and fei to name a few.)

I wish these people would stop posting, it's gets quite iirtating to learn that all you have to contribute is "BOOO NO MORE FLASHBAKCS WGHERES THE JUTSU OMFG"




Well, anyways....I loved this episode, it was incredible. Amazing flashbacks, I can't believe Yashamaru....the way the displayed gaara's "transformation" to evil (with the changing eyes turning mighty red) was awesome, I feel sooo bad for gaara...


also, I felt this episode was a HUGe step for naruto...I think he's truly matured as a character, and this episode proves it. He understands gaara's plight, understands how they are similar, and also how they are different....plus, he's no longer afraid to die [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

78 is gonna be bomb, lets get bigger frogs! Anyone think that little dude can do anything?!

This ep was AWESOME, I almost start loving Gaara [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
these episodes give us the best flashbacks possible, because at this point in Naruto two directions of the human psyche are shown, loneliness can get u mad (course that demon might have helped) or it get you very stubborn. It's showing us an epic story about good and evil as should be, Evil isnt born evil, it becomes evil. You are born neutral.
It's all life lessons and for that only, I would have disliked the episode, but every ending with Naruto pledging total commitment to suicide just ROX [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img], even better if he wins

[itachi_]

You get kinda exited, and as you said stubborn and mad, like "comon, do it naruto"... this episode was "deep" really "deep"

[Assertn]

wow, where were all the anime connoisseurs back when the in-denial dbz fans were overrunning us?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[sangai]

was it me or did gaara say in one seen fight with me (durig the fight only for yourself talk

[Outtawack311]

Hey, yes i would have caught the comparrison between Naruto and Gaara. Wanna know how? They have compared the way they live at least 2-3 times before. Like I said, they think we are morons by repeating it over and over, then when they meet they lengthen an unnecessary explaination to put the fight off and keep everyone in suspense when they dont need to.

[Kagari]

Originally posted by: Outtawack311
Hey, yes i would have caught the comparrison between Naruto and Gaara. Wanna know how? They have compared the way they live at least 2-3 times before. Like I said, they think we are morons by repeating it over and over, then when they meet they lengthen an unnecessary explaination to put the fight off and keep everyone in suspense when they dont need to.

....it seems a waste to respond, but i'll try my best: The last time they made a comparison like that was episode 58, in the hospital room. People who don't have the luxury of owning every single episode on their PC will have a hard time remembering exactly what happened 4 months ago, coach.

The series is not meant to speed through every story, and they are HARDLY repeating things over and over. Learning abhout yashamaru and his sister, learning about gaara's name,The change of gaara from good to evil? how is that repeating?

The only 'Repeat" was a 2 minute segment where naruto reflects on his life, which is so incredibly important to his developpment as a character. It's a shame you don't understand the importance of these flashbacks and recollections.

[Medion]

The flashbacks are not the problem. Flashbacks are necessary to explain characters' past, and in a lengthy series, it's required to keep people from having to hunt old episodes down in order to have a bare understanding of what's going on.

But the way it's being done right now in Naruto is utterly pathetic. The Gaara's past + Naruto's comparsion could've easily been compressed in a single episode. All they needed to do was to dedicate a whole episode to it, instead of diluting it across three episodes, what completely removes any possible tension and antecipation.

It's ridiculous seeing Sarutobi and Orochimaru in the very same position for a whole month, because they must wait until Naruto finishes Gaara off so they can move on. Serisouly. It's as if time stopped after episode 74.

The main problem here is that the last four episodes have been nearly identical, and little to nothing changes/happens in each episode, and I'm not talking about fighting. The pacing is horrible right now, and I hope they get it fixed up after this mess gets to an end, because Naruto has been getting less and less interesting every episode after 70 or so. FMA, as example, is doing a much, much better work with episode pacing.

[Assertn]

what? no way.....the gaara flashbacks alone add up to at LEAST 1 episode, and thats if you take out the oro stuff, the gai/kakashi stuff, and the stuff with gaara beating up sakura and talking to naruto. Keep in mind also, that they didnt even add much extra to the flashbacks from the manga and it still took that much time (sure the scene with gaara and the sunset with his mom and stuff wasnt in the manga, but it was played at the same time that the important dialogue was presented, so it didnt really add to the time anyway). In fact the only part of the flashbacks that added time was when gaara put yashamaru's finger in his mouth [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

the point is, it wouldve taken 2 eps to cover the flashbacks and naruto's past.....after all of it was said and done, they prolly had only 6 or 7 minutes between BOTH episodes left over, so instead of starting the actual fight and ending it at a really awkward position, they filled it with scenes involving the gai and kakashi and extra dialogue between naruto and kakashi. being able to divide up episodes in a logical way is a good practice to follow

[CapsuleCorpJX]

basically they're stalling for time. the anime is catching up with the manga.

[Saruto]

Originally posted by: CapsuleCorpJX
basically they're stalling for time. the anime is catching up with the manga.

lol, not really [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]...

[Gods_Son]

yea, not at all, the anime people are just doing things differently, it's not a big deal.

[Assertn]

you're assuming she ever learns the summoning technique......
it DOES take alot of chakra to perform afterall, regardless of how well you can control it

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
you're assuming she ever learns the summoning technique......
it DOES take alot of chakra to perform afterall, regardless of how well you can control it

Sheesh, give the gal a break...heh, heh[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Yer mean... I already know that...

[sangai]

but eventually maybe she could do it maybe right now she could pull off a small thing around the size of gamakichi but she would tired from it

[Assertn]

well.....perhaps something the equivalent of a tadpole if she's lucky....keep in mind naruto most likely has the highest chakra stamina out of all the genins (and im not talking about kyubi's power, either), and even so, a frog gamakichi's size appears to be the extent of his power.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Nice episode i love the background explanation of the characters. Cute lil frog Naruto summoned ^^.

[off topic]

Unlike most of the others kiddo's here who come screaming, whining, yelling and crying for there mommy's everytime there was some background information (flashbacks) in the episode wich they don't seem to be care of cuz they're too stupid to understand it anyways and are only watching it for the fighting scene's.

Should really piss of or quit being on this Naruto forum, cuz you just make yourself look stupid and immature.

If you want non stop fighting you should look erm.. erm.. DBZ? (puke) cuz you guys are on the same lvl as this piece of shit..


God.. can we have some nice and mature (!!) discussions on this forums pls instead of whining all the time for crying out loud..

[/off topic]

kthxbye~~

[sangai]

well i always assumed that the size was do to his inability to channel chakra properly i mean he seems to have enough enery to do other things afterwords and i bet he could do something a lil bigger.

[DarthEnderX]

Its really very simple. Too much of anything is bad. And too much of flashbacks gets old alot faster than too much of simple action.

And I'm sorry, but Gaara's flashbacks aren't even THAT emotional or well done. There have been much better in the series.

I'm all for story and character development, but two full episodes that essentially did nothing but tell the story of a traumatic evening in Gaara's childhood us just too much. And thinking such doesn't make someone a little DBZ mite. And thinking that all the flashbacks are fantastic doesn't make you an intellegent viewer. It just means you think you are.

[lasaire]

Well, those who do not like Gaara's backstory can at least be grateful that it only took up two episodes: it took up 3 whole manga chapters!

And yes, the manga also has flashbacks to the Hokage battle, but not quite as often.

[j00b]

Originally posted by: DarthEnder
Its really very simple. Too much of anything is bad. And too much of flashbacks gets old alot faster than too much of simple action.

And I'm sorry, but Gaara's flashbacks aren't even THAT emotional or well done. There have been much better in the series.

I'm all for story and character development, but two full episodes that essentially did nothing but tell the story of a traumatic evening in Gaara's childhood us just too much. And thinking such doesn't make someone a little DBZ mite. And thinking that all the flashbacks are fantastic doesn't make you an intellegent viewer. It just means you think you are.

I started a thread called Flashbacks in the Naruto Anime section so that people would not continue to post about them in here...please post future messages of this type in that thread.