Official Naruto 77 Discussion **SPOILERS**

[jonny-mt]

I thought this was a really great episode for a lot of reasons. First off, this is getting pretty much all the flashbacks and introspection out of the way, so from here on out it should be pretty much just straight fighting. I mean, Gamabunta is next week; come on!

I was also a huge fan of their presentation. They took a few liberties over the manga, but every single one of them payed off, most notably the scene with the giant burning sun in the desert. They also did a wonderful job of presenting Naruto's introspection, especially the scene where he is reflected in the distorted mirror. I thought the artwork was top-notch, and the storytelling was wonderful. A well-done episode.

[Kagari]

I love the opposite extremes of posters in this thread....there are intelligent watchers, (i.e. jonny-mt, assrtnfailure, and neji-aniki-sama).....

and then there's the little dbz mites who think anything without huge jutsus and battle scenes is a waste of time (outtawack, konohamarucorps, and fei to name a few.)

I wish these people would stop posting, it's gets quite iirtating to learn that all you have to contribute is "BOOO NO MORE FLASHBAKCS WGHERES THE JUTSU OMFG"




Well, anyways....I loved this episode, it was incredible. Amazing flashbacks, I can't believe Yashamaru....the way the displayed gaara's "transformation" to evil (with the changing eyes turning mighty red) was awesome, I feel sooo bad for gaara...


also, I felt this episode was a HUGe step for naruto...I think he's truly matured as a character, and this episode proves it. He understands gaara's plight, understands how they are similar, and also how they are different....plus, he's no longer afraid to die [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

78 is gonna be bomb, lets get bigger frogs! Anyone think that little dude can do anything?!

[sangai]

great episode and thats with my bad codec i could barely watch it i actaully liked this episode i went back and checked the manga once again this episode follows it preety welll

and hell yeah he summoned gama kichi totally shocked by his voice made me laugh

the next episode is great

(you know i have the new codecs like not the newest but the video is all scrammbled ill get clean shots and then totally un see able blure across the screen, can someone please suggest the proper codec's liket the name and version.) can't wait for anbus i can always play those episodes

[j00b]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
can someone please suggest the proper codec's liket the name and version.

I don't know the exact version information, but here is the site from which i got all of my codecs...if you go through the list and get everything in order, it works great.

Good flashbacks: They really help to give the story meaning...if it were just pointless fighting, I would have gotten bored after just a few episode.

I feel that Naruto has matured in this episode...he is willing to die to help his friends and to help people in general; he know what Gaara will do if he is allowed to go on fighting, so he realizes that this must be the end.

I am looking forward to the next episode as always...looks like the whiners are getting what they wanted since next episode looks like it will have almost all fighting and little (if any) time used for flashbacks, or anything else to develop the story (we all know how bad that is...i mean, who could withstand anime that isn't just mindless, pointless killing? Oh yeah...me and about half of the other people in this forum...those of us who aren't completely immature.)

[TheAwesomeChow]

maybe this has been brought up, didn't read the last 6 pages. I like new flashbacks because they bring something new to the story, whether it may be character or plot development. However, flashbacks that we have seen are easily confused with filler-time, and the most annoying thing is doing flashbacks from the previous episode, seems objectiveless to me. That is all.

Chibi Gaara still rocks, and sand-shurikens suck.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

cant wait till the next eps comes out i mean dam gamabunta is going to be in it its going to be so fukin kewl seing gamabunta kik gaaras ass

[ZerKai]

The reason they keep doing the oro/hokage scene is to develop the difference between Gaara and Naruto. Oro and gaara both are totally devoted to themselves. Hokage was outraged to learn that oro sac'ed his own men to summon 1st and 2nd (a good strategic choice, btw). This was to emphasize Hokage's value of the village over the self (a fairly common asiatic theme). This was also emphasized when he talked to the kids about protecting ones you love. Gai emphasized this to Rock by his restriction on the lotus move.

Hokage's last line before flashing to Naruto is in direct counter to Gaara's statements about how the strong only care for themselves and that's why they're strong. This has been made into a contest of ideaologies (sp?) and not just a simple fight. This couldn't be done with Naruto because he's not as wise/mature as Hokage and so can't really vocalize the belief.

The oro/hokage flash backs were necessary to develop this idealogical conflict which adds to the character depth and growth behind Naruto. This makes what he's doing much more than just a fight and also explains why he has to fight Gaara and can't talk to him. Gaara is focused on self, just as oro doesn't give a crap about others (and nothing hokage is saying is changing his mind, the reason hokage finally decided to bust out and really try to kill him), Gaara would not bother listening to Naruto. He doesn't care what Naruto says; he just wants to kill people so he can feel alive.

Now some belief systems may not want to accept that a person is beyond reformation, but I think that may be the case with Gaara and definetely is with Oro.

Anyway, flashback to oro/hokage are there because it develops the Naruto/Gaara conflict on a level those characters can't by themselves. The fight in Konoha would have some cool action, but would have nothing to do with Naruto's fight. Same with the other characters. Only Hokage has the wisdom to develop that conflict in words and remain true to character.

ZerKai

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: Kagari
I love the opposite extremes of posters in this thread....there are intelligent watchers, (i.e. jonny-mt, assrtnfailure, and neji-aniki-sama).....

Wow! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] Domo arigatou gozaimasu, Kagari-dono [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
I shouldn't say that, but I do bitch a bit about the flashbacks...
I don't totally dislike them, some of them are pretty cool and necessary to the story. I mean, without plot, it would make more sense to go watch the WWF, but huh, a flashback inside a flashback...Well, actually, I am kind of anxious to see everybody in action...There are so many ninjas with cool techniques and one can easily assume that the won't stay at home...

[Assertn]

yes thanks for the support [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
i myself was actually looking forward to the gaara flashbacks for quite some time now

Outtawack, would you have caught the connections between naruto and gaara if they didnt point it out? would you have considered how close naruto was to leading a life like his, and how a slight change in 2 kids pasts completely change the motivations that they fight for at this moment in time?

Maybe you saw it a mile away, but the series works on so many layers that its an easy detail to miss....and you'd lose alot on the significance of the fight if you didnt catch it.


my complaint about this episode: did they have to make that frog's voice so annoying??

[HimizujinEternia]

I've only seen the raw, but this is still one of my favorite episodes of all time. INCREDIBLE animation, INCREDIBLE flashbacks, and the beginning of one of my favorite fights from the manga. Perfect place to end the episode. Can't wait for ANBU translation.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure



my complaint about this episode: did they have to make that frog's voice so annoying??

Cuz it's an annoying character. If Sakura were able to summon anything, guess how it would be like?
Maybe it's sorta hint of how her summoning jutsu will be...All in all, I think it would be a good pet for her.
Pakkun is too useful to be her summoning animal of choice.

[Outtawack311]

Originally posted by: Kagari
I love the opposite extremes of posters in this thread....there are intelligent watchers, (i.e. jonny-mt, assrtnfailure, and neji-aniki-sama).....

and then there's the little dbz mites who think anything without huge jutsus and battle scenes is a waste of time (outtawack, konohamarucorps, and fei to name a few.)

I wish these people would stop posting, it's gets quite iirtating to learn that all you have to contribute is "BOOO NO MORE FLASHBAKCS WGHERES THE JUTSU OMFG"

Blow me dude, I just dont believe that it was necessary to see the Naruto flashbacks. We knew all about Naruto being secluded and hated, i dont need to be told every other episode. How stupid do they think we are? Seriously, do they really think we are 5 year olds who forget that no one likes him after 2 episodes. Its actually kind of degrading knowing what they think of us. I dont need fighting, but a little excitement besides Naruto getting pelted with sand is all i ask. If you look at better animes like Hunter x Hunter or FMA they get more story and more excitement in every episode. I dont see why it is so hard for the creators of Naruto to do something similar.
Stop catagorizing me because you think you know my type, you dont. If you look down on someone for something this stupid then you might as well kill youself now, your not going to get much enjoyment out of life.

[?igma]

Originally posted by: Kagari
I love the opposite extremes of posters in this thread....there are intelligent watchers, (i.e. jonny-mt, assrtnfailure, and neji-aniki-sama).....

and then there's the little dbz mites who think anything without huge jutsus and battle scenes is a waste of time (outtawack, konohamarucorps, and fei to name a few.)

I wish these people would stop posting, it's gets quite iirtating to learn that all you have to contribute is "BOOO NO MORE FLASHBAKCS WGHERES THE JUTSU OMFG"




Well, anyways....I loved this episode, it was incredible. Amazing flashbacks, I can't believe Yashamaru....the way the displayed gaara's "transformation" to evil (with the changing eyes turning mighty red) was awesome, I feel sooo bad for gaara...


also, I felt this episode was a HUGe step for naruto...I think he's truly matured as a character, and this episode proves it. He understands gaara's plight, understands how they are similar, and also how they are different....plus, he's no longer afraid to die [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

78 is gonna be bomb, lets get bigger frogs! Anyone think that little dude can do anything?!

This ep was AWESOME, I almost start loving Gaara [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
these episodes give us the best flashbacks possible, because at this point in Naruto two directions of the human psyche are shown, loneliness can get u mad (course that demon might have helped) or it get you very stubborn. It's showing us an epic story about good and evil as should be, Evil isnt born evil, it becomes evil. You are born neutral.
It's all life lessons and for that only, I would have disliked the episode, but every ending with Naruto pledging total commitment to suicide just ROX [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img], even better if he wins

[itachi_]

You get kinda exited, and as you said stubborn and mad, like "comon, do it naruto"... this episode was "deep" really "deep"

[Assertn]

wow, where were all the anime connoisseurs back when the in-denial dbz fans were overrunning us?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]