Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps
This definition of logic debate might as well be moved to general discussion.
Completely agree....

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
well himura_san...thats only the programming/math aspect of logic....the word in itself has more definitions than just that. the logics he's referring to is in terms of practical knowledge....which in this case probably IS both logic and opinion (logic from the perspective of the person making the observation combined with personal knowledge/experience, but opinion in the fact that there is no facts to back it)
The thing is, though, there is also a set foundation of logic rules relating to non-mathematical logic as well, i.e. syllogisms (All Greeks are human, Aristotle is a Greek, therefore Aristotle is human) and the like. If you've ever written an analytic paper, you know very well that there is certainly a system to proving one's logic; simply stating your opinion is not enough, and even providing facts to back it up is merely reducing the possibility that the reader will think you are incorrect. Outside of mathematics, the number of things that can be conclusively proven is rather small...even accepted scientific theories are just that: theories.

Originally posted by: Hokage-IV

Is this coming from a guy who starts a sentence with a OR?
Indeed it is, my friend. It was a stylistic liberty taken in order to place more emphasis on the separation between possible choices; although ultimately grammatically incorrect, that was more than made up for by the fact that it achieved the effect I desired. Although I would probably not use it in an academic paper, I was not speaking in an academic tone, and so I do not have to adhere to strict grammatical rules. It's one of those neat little tricks you pick up while learning to clearly express your thoughts through writing, which is the focus of real English classes as opposed to simple grammar-oriented ones. My apologies; I assumed you were already taking real English classes....