People say itachi is strongest character introduced, but what about naruto?

[Elessar]

Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
'Really good written'!? I must admit, you speak English better than I speak Swedish, but that guy couldn't even summon the necessary skills to correctly spell 'pearls', and he's lecturing about shinobi and atomic energy? WTF?

Alright. Up until now the discussion was about an anime called "Naruto". Things that you noticed that happened during this show and things that we noticed. And our opinions about it. Fine. Now you start insulting me personally and call me somewhat illiterate. Why? Please tell me, why?

Concerning the language issues: yes, your english is better than mine. On the other hand I am quite sure my german is better than yours. That's the advantage of discussing in ones mother tongue or not. Everything else would be plain embarrassing (not to mention that you made your decision about my "skills" based on one omitted character). As for the lecture on atomic energy - I am not aware of having talked/written about that. I used the terms "atomic aspect" or "atomic problem". Quite widespread terms in technical english, german and other languages. An atomic problem is a problem that cannot be further devided into smaller problems. Like an atom in chemistry. The same applies for an "atomic aspect" of something. How and why you correlate that to "energy" is beyond my understanding.

Itachi had the benefits of being born into an elite family, and probably had the best teachers in Konoha to help him along the way, not to mention that he has the sharingan to ease learning new techniques.
So he supposedly kills his family, and takes off to join some mafia-esque organization to hang out with some ugly loser named Kisame .. and then comes back and FAILS in the mission given to him, utterly and completely. In actual history, ninja were hired because of their ability to get in unnoticed, do their job, and hopefully get out.

True.

Itachi only succeeded in escaping, he failed miserably at avoiding detection, failed miserably at withholding his mission/employer identity.

True, except for the employer part. Jiraiya told Kakashi about Akatsuki before Itachi arrived, so why is he responsible for konoha getting this information? Jiraiya tracked Orochimaru.

This hardly qualifies Itachi as 'smart', or even a very good ninja. There is a vey big IF about this, however, and that could be if Itachi is actually sabotaging his stated mission on purpose, and he is going about his actions for motives not currently known. Remember, being powerful and being effective are not necessarily parallel in actuality.

That is the good thing about opinions - there are enough for everyone to have his own.

Wow that's pretty lame, Elessar. The series centers around Naruto .. if you hate it that much DONT WATCH/READ IT. Good riddance.

There are more things one can like about an anime series than one character, even if he is the main character.
And it has nothing to do with hate at all. It's just about rational and unbiased (as much as possible) observations each and every one of us may have made and the conclusions we draw in accordance to them.
The character Naruto is an important part of the show and I accept him as that. But that does not imply that I have to love him or have to think better of him than I think he deserves.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Well said, Ellesar [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] German eh? Cool [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

Point taken on your English, actually you only had that one typo. I saw another one of your posts in another thread that was articulate and concise, so I retract any inferred criticism directed towards your writing skills. Indeed your English skills are better than my German skills shall ever be.

I understand your opinion on the Naruto character, perhaps I took too much offense to the use of expletives for description. I will always have more respect towards someone making their point with clarity and skill rather than reverting to cursing for effect.

It appears that we actually agree for the most part on the points at hand, for example I also look at Naruto as somewhat dim-witted (although good at surprising people!), etc.

Cheers ..

[Elessar]

Kanpai!

That means we can give an all-clear to lasaire, everything's cool.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Elessar, would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the relative strengths/weaknesses of Itachi and Jiraiya.

[EpoC]

hmm,
naruto is kinda stupid and not very skilled but he can become pretty well determined about things.
For example when he learned the Rasengan, he trained very har for that, he trained almost continouosly.
he trained even when it hurted like hell. Not many people would do that except for Lee.
Just beacause he is so determined, he can learn jutsus at a pretty short time.
some people say that just because he have kyubis chakra he can beat anyone.
He may have the chakra but what good use is the chakra when you can't use it?
So he still need to learn jutsus, and the chakra doesn't make him learn the jutsus faster.
Naruto will one day become one of the strongest and whoop Itachis ass. Or wait a minute, I think Sasuke kills Itachi.

And another thing is that you don't need to be a genius to be a excellent ninja, and that is provven by lee.