the us isn't doing anything wrong. we have to act like the daddy of all countries or everything is gonna go to shit. and besides, if we don't keep people in check, everyone will start going ape shit, hurting the us economically. which sucks.
the us isn't doing anything wrong. we have to act like the daddy of all countries or everything is gonna go to shit. and besides, if we don't keep people in check, everyone will start going ape shit, hurting the us economically. which sucks.
I don't really meddle into politics to much, considering it brings up lengthy debates and such. I consider myself a moderate democrat.
Ive come to realization that no matter what i do, short of blowing myself up inside the white house(yeh , like im gonna do that pfft) that protesting,bitching does nothing.
Hell, i could go stand on the street corner going , OMFG USA AR NAZI! , and no one would care, just honk at me and shout profanity.
What i do feel strongly about, as ive stated before are generalizations. We didn't vote for war, we wern't consulted in this war.
So stop bitching and complaining that the american people are nazi's,war mongers, and blah blah blah.
Instead of focusing so much on us and our buissness, why not go help out Kosovo, after the clashes that have hapened there in the past few months.
Lego this is a tired argument - you made your point about generalisations twice (at least) and no-one is doing that anymore so be happy [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]...Originally posted by: Lego
I don't really meddle into politics to much, considering it brings up lengthy debates and such. I consider myself a moderate democrat.
Ive come to realization that no matter what i do, short of blowing myself up inside the white house(yeh , like im gonna do that pfft) that protesting,bitching does nothing.
Hell, i could go stand on the street corner going , OMFG USA AR NAZI! , and no one would care, just honk at me and shout profanity.
What i do feel strongly about, as ive stated before are generalizations. We didn't vote for war, we wern't consulted in this war.
So stop bitching and complaining that the american people are nazi's,war mongers, and blah blah blah.
Instead of focusing so much on us and our buissness, why not go help out Kosovo, after the clashes that have hapened there in the past few months.
(just to point out thats the end of the reply to lego)
The freedom of speech argument is valid r3n pointed out is true because the USA Patriot Act (which I posted a link for) says people can be arrested, prosecuted and convicted of terrorism for a mere protest! That is a denial of freedom, and an aspect of totalitarianism. Also, please examine the section on the link I provided which shows the act also involves laws that don't seem to have anything to do with terrorism.
SADDAM IS NOT A TERRORIST! I don't know whether he applauded Bin Laden or not, but Bin Laden hated, and I really do mean HATED Saddam...he went on record several times declaring Saddam his enemy. Also, like I keep saying - a pre-emptive war can not be justified...saying 'before long this might happen' is an appalling and paranoid way of looking at something...why not just bomb the fuck out of everyone then they'll do exactly what the government says?
What makes some people here think that the US government can just push everyone around and make everyone kowtow to their judgement? Iraq posed no threat to America at the time, and there was no evidence to suggest they ever would.
Finally, please stop linking 9/11 to Saddam Hussein - he had nothing to do with it - Bin Laden is responsible like that, so America has every right to get him...I'm very sorry that someone's relative had an aunt killed in 9/11, but that doesn't lend any strength to the argument justifying a war because of 9/11 because that was a completely different situation...your government manipulated 9/11 as an excuse to fill it's people full of fear and to assert more control over the population, and also to invade Iraq. I know 9/11 didn't happen in my country...but that doesn't have anything to do with the war with Iraq.
And yes, protest does have little effect, but its the only thing that can be done in the meantime and it shows people that people oppose it, I just hope when voting time comes more people vote for a better candidate than Bush.
Mut@t@ - the very idea that you are saying America has to keep everyone else in check is very frightening...the fact that America has more power than everyone else does NOT mean they should govern what goes on around the world - do you really believe America is above everyone else just because they have more power?
well shit. if everyone kept them selves in check we wouldn't be needed to do this. you're right the fact that we have more power than everyone doesn't mean that we should govern what goes on in the world. but if we don't, everything will go ape shit and when everything goes ape shit, it eventually hurts us. so we are protecting ourselves and everyone else at the same time. and i never said america is above everyone just cuz we have more power. we use our power in good ways. saddam needed to be taken out so he got taken out. done deal.
i don't wanna talk about this anymore, i hate politics. believe what you want and i will too, but too bad not matter what you or i say won't make a damn difference.
agree, agree, and more agree. everything swallow ur soul said is pretty much what i feel. america have this opinion that because they can exert the greatest power in the world they can bully other countries, and act like the judge and jury of the rest of the world. america seems to think it is above its own restrictions it sets down on other countries, such as limiting of nuclear arms (yes america has the largest stock of nuclear arms on the planet). nobody gave america this right, it simply took it on itself. even when NATO objected to america invading iraq, and as i seem to remember, it also pointed out to america that the invasion of iraq was illegal on several counts, primarily because it has no PROOF that iraq had any involvement with 9/11, or no proof that iraq could attack any of america or its allies with WMD. (i wonder how many countries could attack america with the cause that "america could attack it with WMD"....mmm let me think....all of them?)
and when ppl start saying how a friend or relative died in 9/11 out of the couple of thousand of ppl that were killed that day. they seem to forget the hundreds of thousands (no thats not a typo) of innocents that have come in the crossfire of americas so called war on terrorism, along with previous attacks on more than 20 countries which were unprovoked attacks. jst because these ppl arent american citizens doesnt make their lives any less valueble.
and you wonder why so many terrorists attack america. remember, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
well this is going to be my last post here, as i said before since you arent american i dont think you can understand. the fact that people are sypathizing with those who are killing coalition forces right now baffles me. i'm sorry your anti-america, and believe americans are as bad as nazis, but ill speak the truth now as i did before. i just think its jealousy, its as simple as that. i know you dont want to but accept the fact that america can do whatever the hell it wants until there is a country that can match them. the us went against the UN, which is basically the world, to go to war against iraq and what did they do about it? nothing. why? because they cant.
hahahhahhha brilliant! w000000000tOriginally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
well this is going to be my last post here, as i said before since you arent american i dont think you can understand. the fact that people are sypathizing with those who are killing coalition forces right now baffles me. i'm sorry your anti-america, and believe americans are as bad as nazis, but ill speak the truth now as i did before. i just think its jealousy, its as simple as that. i know you dont want to but accept the fact that america can do whatever the hell it wants until there is a country that can match them. the us went against the UN, which is basically the world, to go to war against iraq and what did they do about it? nothing. why? because they cant.
eugh, sharingankakashi, its people like you that sicken me. you're an american that condones the fact that america kills innocents jst to expand its power influence. and ill tell you a country that could quite easily destroy america, which is china. has the largest army in the world, by far aswell as a large nuclear arsenal, america wouldnt dare attack them, cos it would be suicide. im jst waiting for when america get their foreign policy shoved down their throat by china.
assertnfailure, plz dont talk about WW2 like its the europeans who were indebted to the americans. if our countries hadnt lost millions of lives to stop the nazis in both WWs, america would have almost certainly been invaded by now. and if i remember correctly, in WW2 america didnt even want to join the war cos it would be too expensive or some bs. so you can see how much they value their allies (i have no idea why the UK even sides with the US, shud jst stick with europe).
and yes jusdaman i actually agree. if all wars were solved like that it would be a lot less hassle. all osama wud need was a couple of pretzles...
Yeah I'm gonna stop posting unless there is something specific I have to say (in case I have to reply to something basically). I just want to make a couple of last points in response to this postOriginally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
well this is going to be my last post here, as i said before since you arent american i dont think you can understand. the fact that people are sypathizing with those who are killing coalition forces right now baffles me. i'm sorry your anti-america, and believe americans are as bad as nazis, but ill speak the truth now as i did before. i just think its jealousy, its as simple as that. i know you dont want to but accept the fact that america can do whatever the hell it wants until there is a country that can match them. the us went against the UN, which is basically the world, to go to war against iraq and what did they do about it? nothing. why? because they cant.
Point 1) I don't understand how not living in America has that much to do with whether I can comment on this war or not. Iraq didn't carry out any attack on America in order to start this war so why should an American understand any more than anyone else?
Point 2) I'm not anti-america, I don't like the actions of your government...that is not being anti-america
Point 3) I'm not sympathising with those who are killing coalition forces. I am against the war - that is a completely different thing.
Point 4) I don't believe americans are as bad as the nazi's, but I understand the point the people who made that sign are putting across. The American government is basically making a statement that 'cross america and get invaded', and also brought in a law silencing whoever in their own country wants to publicly disagree with this war.
Point 5) Despite the fact you say I can't accept the fact America can do anything they want - I can! And I have! I am in denial of nothing because that is exactly what I have been saying - IT TERRIFIES ME THAT AMERICA CAN DO PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER WHAT THEY WANT!!!
Point 6) I'm not jealous about anything, if Britain started throwing it's weight around (if it had as much weight to throw around as America that is) then I'd be just as much against our government than I am right now against America's government - I've said numerous times that I totally disagree with our current government on various issues, one of which is the war on Iraq, others involving education etc.
Point 7) The fact that the UN can do nothing about it is exactly what scares me...just because America are free to do what they please because no-one can oppose them doesn't mean they are right in doing whatever the hell they want to do. A bully isn't justified on picking on victims just because s/he is bigger and stronger than them.
EDIT - yeah I know I said I had a couple of last points when in fact it turned out to be seven, but there turned out to be more things I had to point out than I anticipated...
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