I think he means Genin needs Talent, Chuunin needs brain, genin needs power.... its assumed that you need previous requirements to be up there, so brain+power is repetitive
I think he means Genin needs Talent, Chuunin needs brain, genin needs power.... its assumed that you need previous requirements to be up there, so brain+power is repetitive
I wonder if getting a copy of Come Come Paradise is one of the benefits of being a Jounin [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]
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I watched both episodes again today and yes, back to back, they are still the best 2 episodes so far, however , without all the buildup and character development nethier would be so 'amazing' off their on merit.
One thing that catches me is with Kakashi and Gai fighting other Chunin's/Jounin's , they use absolutly no seals and just hand-to-hand combat. Yet still manage to beat all those sand ninja [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
It was so good to see Sasuke being helpless and squriming while Naruto was taking control of the scene and protecting the village. Just to see Sasuke's pride and big-headedness knocked away. Oh yeah! , I dont care what rank Naruto should be, it was so good to watch Sasuke's reaction to Naruto beating gaara in a fight that Sasuke never could have won.
BTW I understand it wasnt really Naruto , it was the frog boss that did all the hard work, but hey , Sasuke couldnt summon him just yet [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] (by now you can probably tell I dont like Sasuke because of his attitude and big-headedness).
*Edit for spellings [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
...we haven't seen Oro's boys... and I doubt he could still get Kakashi...
you mean the 4 holding up the walls , I think they will go down quite easily , probably one the Konoha Jounins go down fighting to make the storyline interesting but I dont think there is much loss and killing to be had on Konoha's side of things....
Kakashi's stronger than Naruto , and all the Genin's so far Imho, but that cant be argued either way because we havnt seen Kakashi fight full-on without having to worry about any genings getting in the way... I think over the next 10 or so Eps Sasuke will get more stronger and prove himself stronger than Naruto again , then the old rivalry will kick in again. Generally speaking as I already said, you cant compare any of the genins for ranks that they 'should' have because no-one has seen them fight anyone higher than their own rank in one-on-one combat. Even Gaara , as hard as he is , was still a genin , albeit a strong one.
Going by the battles we see the Genin's have, the Hokage battle was pretty mediocore, little action and just a story filler for the history of konoha. Naruto is strong as a Genin, but still needs to develope further of course [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] .... leading onto the next story arc. I hope he stays ahead of Sasuke now (I dont like Sasuke [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] )
You're kidding, right.
Gaara is more than genin, but was kept at that rank for their (sand) mission into konoha, it fit with their 'plan' on coming into the chuunin exam, along with orichimaru's subordinates, to start the attack. Gaara was intentionally kept at genin level, you can't in your right mind think he is just a genin for real.. don't be stupid.
Further, according to your theory that if you rank is a genin you suck, and if your rank is a jounin you rule, your a fool.
Kabuto, orichamaru's spy, a genin.
'Nuff said.
Well no , not 'nuff said really.
I see what you are saying there and I agree with you, of course there are better people who are Genins than who are Chunin's but your forgetting the point that these titles need to be earned through examination. Until you have passed the exam, you would still be the grade you was at , even if, technically, you have shown that you are greater than your current rank suggests.
Im not being 'stupid' , I find it hard to read subtitles and may have missed a few things. The other two with Gaara obviously arnt that strong/skillful compared to some of the other genins.
OT : even I wasnt so arragant as to start on the forum and on near enough the same day start giving abuse to other people posting here for no apparent reason. Get some respect for your fellow Naruto fans would you.
You're not being 'stupid,' you're just being plain stupid. User 'logic' is 100% correct.Originally posted by: Gaz
Im not being 'stupid'
As for Naruto being stronger than everyone other than Jiraiya.... that is preposterous.
Most of the konoha jounins could kick his ass, especially Kakashi. Summoning gambunta is a nice idea -- except that no one would ever allow him to complete the summoning.
Also, Naruto doesn't seem all that consistent on being able to summon the frog boss. He seems to have a lot of difficulty using fox demon chakra unless he and/or his friends are in mortal danger. Recall that the first time he tried to summon him, he failed and summoned his absolutely tiny son. We've seen Naruto's shadow clones get beaten a million times. Naruto's cannot even peform his one significant ability -- summoning the frog boss -- on a reliable basis.
If there were a death match between Naruto and Sasuke, I would definitely put my money on Sasuke. He is a much better ninja in almost all respects, and he is so fast with Lightning Edge that he could probably get to Naruto before the frog boss could stop him, if Nartuo even managed to summon him.
Yeh keep on underestimating Naruto ...
what ever.. I agreee with logic. And if your having trouble reading, you should prolly keep your opinions to your self there bub. Anyways... of course Sasuke is gonna get stronger than Naruto, simply because that is what his character is meant to do. They would kill him off before they made him weaker than Naruto...
and thanks logic for reminding me about Kabuto.... I think he will fight Kakashi, given their previous frays, and since Oro told Kabuto so much, a lot of Kakashinformation will ensue, but I'd expect that in a week or two. So, Gaz, you'll get what you want. I think.
...what ev... Raws out, so there will be a craptastic SO sub by friday
i dont care what anyone says, naruto is a good ninja, not even the jounin see thru many of his techniques, for instance the way he beat neji and the trick he pulled on kiba, sure he keeps it simple, but hes a genin, and if it aint broke dont fix it, u guys can say naruto sucks or you hate him but you all know it isnt true and you probably all cheer him on when it's going on, also, pretty soon we'll see naruto doing some more extraordinary stuff so ull eat your words and feet all at once
naruto is a good ninja, in fact hes a very good ninja, hes just a very good genin and i dont think there are any genin in the world of naruto that oculd beat him, in fact i'd have a hard time seeing chuunin beat him
also about the Gama Bunta thing, to go with what the basic rule of anime fact is if a char. says it it's true, Naruto said himself when he called on the big power (Kyubi) he uses a "red" chakra, and u see in the show everytime he uses it he turns red, in the ep he called Bunta with blue chakra, he was yet to run out of chakra, despite being very low afterwards, so the fact that only the 3rd Hokage can call/take control of Gama bunta shows u that he has enormous chakra stamina/potential, kakashi even says he will surpass "us all" some day, there are no grounds in the series thus far to label him a bad ninja, poor chakra control does not make u a poor ninja, if thats the case sakura is one of the best ninjas out there and thats not even marginally true, if you havent noticed, naruto's combat strategies when he forms them are much like shikamaru's, and he doesnt sit there behind a tree while thinking of them, he does it on the spot and they work, and he has more htan enough chakra/power to pull em off, so have whatever gripes u must about naruto hes still a great ninja, just a lil rough around the edges like them all, cuz they are all genin
but one thing i must say about Naruto is that he is by no means chuunin/jounin material, he cares too much about the fight, gets too emotional, will burn himself out to prove a point, he doesnt think safely, he thinks about winning at all costs, that's good for a mindless warrior, not a chuunin and not a jounin who will be putting genin in danger, so the moral of the story is naruto = good ninja, naruto=strong, good stamina without kyuubi, but naruto = unfit to lead/ unfit to be chuunin/jounin
What can kakashi do against Gamabunta + Naruto (powered by Kyubi) at the same time? be realistic Naruto ownz teh place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Naruto for sage! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] gamabunta + kyubi powah !!! not even Itachi stands a chance imo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
How do you know Naruto isn't a chuunin? Well not officially, but if the chuunin exam finished, I think all those who fought would become chuunin. If you say "Why do you think Naruto is still a genin?", it's because he hasn't taken the chuunin exam yet! (It hasn't finished.)
They displayed high level jounin technuques (Neji, Gaara, Naruto, Sasuke). Shikamaru showed great tactics. They can become chuunin because their techniques make up for their other shortfalls. They don't need to be super good all round to become chuunin, because they'll learn those after they become chuunin by getting more experience.
Fighting Gaara was an A rank mission. Didn't Kakashi say that to Sakura at the stadium? (Can't remember but probably not because nobody else mentioned it.) Naruto can use high level techniques, and has enough chakra control to walk on water. He even copied Sasuke's (who copied Lee) taijutsu in the preliminaries. His strategies are smart too (examples mentioned before in this thread). Naruto's good all round, deserving to be a chuunin (not Jounin).
How can you compare with Hayate? We haven't seen him do very much so we don't know his potential. People talk like Hayate's not very good. Anko's probably very good as well since she was taught by Oorochimaru.
Nope... not even fighting Gaara was an A rank mission. Stopping Sasuke from fighting Gaara was an A rank mission. For a Genin to be running from a bunch of Jounin, trying to fight the TRUMP CARD Of A FUCKING NINJA CLAN would most definately be a special mission.Originally posted by: kawarimi
Fighting Gaara was an A rank mission. Didn't Kakashi say that to Sakura at the stadium? (Can't remember but probably not because nobody else mentioned it.) Naruto can use high level techniques, and has enough chakra control to walk on water. He even copied Sasuke's (who copied Lee) taijutsu in the preliminaries. His strategies are smart too (examples mentioned before in this thread). Naruto's good all round, deserving to be a chuunin (not Jounin).
Now about Naruto using Gamabunta in a fight.... there are certain people da great frog boss won't fight, ie: anyone of konoha most likely, so say, if Naruto were to spar with Ero-sennin, and lost his head abit, and were to say, summon the Frog Boss correctly, there would just be a giant frog watching the match... nothing more.
So, don't bank of Naruto's usage of the frog thing, k (PS- he summoned him purty quick while in that there desert coffin... I'd reckon that there was some o the fast hands in the west...er east)
too bad naruto won't have a chance to summon anything or even get to kyubi state. kakashi would put his chidori right through naruto's face before naruto can cry about being weak.Originally posted by: Uchiha-Itachi
What can kakashi do against Gamabunta + Naruto (powered by Kyubi) at the same time? be realistic Naruto ownz teh place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Naruto for sage! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] gamabunta + kyubi powah !!! not even Itachi stands a chance imo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
There is absolutely zero chance that Naruto summoned Gamabunta at ANY point without Kyubi's chakra. Zero. There are no arguments to consider in favor of the idea. The series has made it very clear that Naruto does not have nearly enough chakra on his own to accomplish such a thing.
Hnmm did you actually read what I stated:
andHowever, going by what has been shown before, Naruto can only summing a little a frog without using the red chakra.
As in, I understand what people are arguing their point about however as I stated before there is no evidence to support what chakra he used.I mean I see two arguements here
Im going to regret wasting time here tomorrow but.......
Lets get some things straightened - some of the arguments used here were so outrageous it became irresitable to answer them.
1) Naruto CANNOT have summoned the frog boss with his own chakra - it is stated quite clearly by Jiriaya when he is teaching Naruto the summoning technique, that he doesnt have enough chakra. All these notions about him summoning the frog boss because he has attained the true meaning of strength are in a word - silly. The theme of the true strength is reccurrent throughout many anime and stories and is most certainly does not involve suddenly becoming wildly powerful when you are protecting someone.
As for arguments involving seeing red chakra when Naruto uses the Kyubi's chakra, we can put that down as oversights in the animation teams efforts. Lets face it, theyre there to produce an enjoyable story, not one that is correct to every last detail.
2) This series is must definately not called naruto because Naruto is/may be the most powerful ninja of all time or someshuch. If you paid attention to the overall characters in the team, you'd notice something very obvious. The team follows a very traditional structure, with strengths and weaknesses. Take a look at a variation of the traditional view of a person - Mind, body, heart/soul. In Naruto, we can see quite clearly 3 aspects in each character - Mind, Body - as specified in the chunnin exam - and heart, which in this case is largely associated with "true strength". To date (although the characters have begun to develop) Sakura is weak in the body, but strong in mind. Naruto is not terribly intelligent, but is seen to have a good heart. Saskue, perhaps the closest to having equality amongst the three at the start of the story is strong at combat (body) but has a cold attitude (weak in heart). Notice how the three characters start out with inherent differences?
That can be seen to emphasize a number of different things, but perhaps the most important is teamwork, which is specifically singled out right at the start. Those who go about sprouting the proposition that the series is called Naruto because Naruto will almost certainly become powerful at the end of it have ***COMPLETELY*** missed the point of the story, and then some. To bring up some final things you should notice when dissecting and analysing Naruto - notice that its mentioned several times that Naruto is the type of guy who could never be the main character of a story. I leave it to you to make the final connections about what this means in terms of story meaning.
3) Jounin Requirements: We dont know them! Thats right. So far, we have yet to encounter anything remotely resembling criteria for qualifying to be a jounin. Everything we have is based on pure speculation and observation of existing jounins. Hence, any suggestion that Naruto qualifies to be a jounin on *any* front has no real basis in fact! What we can do (and what has been done) is compare Naruto's skills with other characters. While this may yield some interesting comparisons, it again fails deal with the problem of exact criteria.
4) Naruto's skill. It has been brought up briefly in this thread, and extensively in other threads not confined to this forum as well. To shoot down the biggest turkey, lets start of with this notion that Naruto is a genuis. He isnt - and thats regardless of how you stretch the meaning of the word. Genuis in the normal sense means you are incredibly talented in a particular field, so much so that you far surpass the typical smart guy/girl who gets 95% in all his subjects. Statistically, it means that true genuises are few and far between, and the probability of a randomly chosen baby being a genuis is so small its basically negligible.
In Naruto, the word has taken on an expanded meaning to include those who are genetically superior to others - IE primarily the Uchia and Hyuga clans, and whatever Haku's clan was.
Now, notice that Naruto does not satisfy either the original definition of genuis or the expanded definition. He instead has the Kyubi which could easily have ended up in another random baby. The reference to Lee being a genuis of hard work likely referred to the fact that he was incredibly hard working beyond others in the same way that normal genuises are innately smarter than others. Shikamaru is currently the only true genuis we have encountered so far.
Now were past the genuis ideas, we can examine Naruto's actual skill, which is *full* of contradictions primarily because of the need to have Naruto save the day as the main character. Although the story tries to account for the often ludricrous leaps in skill, it doesnt quite manage it. This normally doesnt matter as were supposed to employ something called suspension of disbelief when were watching movies/similar things, but while were analysing it with a magnifying glass, this luxury goes out the window.
Lets start of with his intelligence. As it currently stands, we are positioned to view Naruto as possessing to put it nicely "below average" intelligence. If I were extreme, I might say that were he any less intelligent, he may start to fall into the borderline "mentally challenged" category, and if I were at the other extreme I might concievably - albiet with prodigious stretches of interpretation - say Naruto is at least average to above average intelligent. As it is, les just go with below average - significantly below average because the author of this story has quite clearly positioned us towards this interpretation, and in this case the author's intention is the only one that counts.
Hmmm....... running out of time.
Very quickly, Naruto is a genin and for good reason. First exam: He passed because he had courage, but he completely failed if you look at the first intention of the exam. 2nd exam - Doesnt really count because of inteference from Orochimaru, but he contributed more because of his stamina than any actual skill in fighting. 3rd Exam - the two commenting examiners peg him down as a fail.
Conclusion: Naruto isnt qualified to become a chunin let alone jounin. You could say he has a large normal chakra capacity, but certainly we cannot say it matches that of jounins. It is only with the added chakra of the Kyubi that he attains a comparable level of chakra. His actual skills (encompassing tai, gen, and ninjutsu) seem averagish to above average at best, but certainly not exceptional. Im not going to speculate as to whether that is sufficient for jounin or chunin qualifications because simply we arnt given that information. His brains leave alot to be desired. IMHO, barring some massive and unlikely change in intelligence, the only way he'd ever become Hokage is if a bad guy killed off everyone else in the village who was more qualified than him. Why? Because I'd presume being Hokage takes more than decent ninja skills which anyone could acquire with enough time and effort. It requires wisdom and intelligence to lead the village. That said, this *is* just a story intended primarily to entertain people, and like all stories were supposed to suspend disbelief. Therefore even if something is realistically unlikely, we shouldnt be surprised if it happens.
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