Itachi

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-sama

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
since when did people call him a coward? the only problem i have with him was how he just stood there during the whole war....but i wouldnt call him a coward

Oh, jesus, Kabuto *is* a despicable, fresh, doormatish coward. He also gave up on the preliminaries right of the bat.
Let's see, that's was his first strategic retreat, second at the hospital, third at the stadium and to add insult to injury, he took his time, during the last two ones, to call Kakashi inferior and mock his sharingan. If that ain't coward I don't know what is. Then again, nothing wrong with being a coward.

i don't know how you can call kabuto a coward using those three incidents as a support to your argument. him giving up on the prelims is not a fair way determine whether or not he is a coward or not. his goal wasn't to win the prelims, it was to keep an eye on sasuke. and at the hospital he retreated for a reason not because he was a coward. it's foolish to start a big fight at a populated place like the hospital. also he explained why he retreated at the stadium, he doesn't want kakashi copying all of his moves so kakashi has an advantage on him. this isn't being a coward, it's called being SMART. [img]i/expressions/light.gif[/img]

[Gods_Son]

Kabuto is clever, so he knows when to back down from a challenge. He's not being a coward, he's just doing what's best for himself. Naruto during the Demon Brothers fight or Sasuke against Orochimaru would be a better example of cowardice.

[CyberPunk]

i really don't think sasuke was a coward for trying to get out of the orochimaru fight. he was looking out for his team, and had his own reason, even if it did sound sort of stupid, "having to survive to kill itachi". also, he was the only one in the group to realize just how strong orochimaru was.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

I don't remember saying that bravery and intelligence went together.
Those who think they do, certainly are not familiar with *any* heroic saga known to mankind.
Heros are deeply stupid, otherwise, they wouldn't be so.
Hercules, the number one among Greek heros, was dumb as a doornail.
Achilles and Siegfried are two of the bravest heros known to Western culture. Yet, both died stupid deaths worth of the idiots they were. Such deaths, however, don't change their heroic status a bit.
Ullysses, IMO, is wrongly known as hero. He is more of a trickster and and his victories where obtained through cheating and lying. I'd call him a survivor, at best. And the Greeks would only give the title of hero *after* one's death, and preferably an honored one.
Bugs Bunny, is another case of survivor. He's a trickster and will use any resources avaliable to avoid direct confrontation. By no means, a hero.
Cowards are intelligent, obviously. Who, having at least two working brain cells, would go to war or put himself in a dangerous situation for whatever reason?
Kabuto's intelligence is a fact, but that doesn't redeem him from being a despicable coward.

[Mut]

i agree with you on some points but don't forget that al those heroes you mentioned were on a 'time limit.' either they had to do it as soon as possible or everything would've went down the shitter. people like itachi and kabuto aren't pressured by time, so retreating is always an option (obviously i'd want everyone to go head on everytime cuz it's more fun that way). they are in no rush to accomplish what they are willing to do so they take their time and strategize about their next move. although they don't have all the time in the world, but they have enough to not let it force them to make their move.

[Snidely]

Originally posted by: Neji-Aniki-sama
I don't remember saying that bravery and intelligence went together...
Cowards are intelligent, obviously. Who, having at least two working brain cells, would go to war or put himself in a dangerous situation for whatever reason?
Kabuto's intelligence is a fact, but that doesn't redeem him from being a despicable coward.

Kabuto has been confidant in all his confrontations so far. That's not cowardice. Cowardice is acting out of fear; it has nothing to do with intelligence, but self-preservation.

You've read the manga, so you know that he proves he isn't a coward by his future actions.

Anyway. I'm one of those who finds Itachi to be uninteresting. Don't get me wrong, his psychic technique is ultra cool, but he's not pulling his weight. He could have wiped out Kakashi and co. before Gai even got there. I won't get into the Jai. vs Itachi fight since it hasn't happened just yet, but I don't particularly like the outcome of that, either.

I like Oro as a villian because I can believe his motivation. For someone who seems to be so eager to test out his might, Itachi seems to hold back his power and withdraw an awful lot.

I'm more interested to see a fight between fish-face and whoever he ends up going against. He's obviously a sadist, and his sword's power to absorb chakra might make for a good fight.

[Gods_Son]

Orochimaru's time is over, we already had an in depth look at him and his ambitions. Itachi's motives and reasoning really hasn't been revealed, there could be more to him.

[Snidely]

There could, but it'll take a lot of work to make it as convincing as Oro. Itachi had plenty of time to take what he wanted, and I'm still not convinced about the showdown in Konoha, or even walking around with a damn bell on his hat.

(It all looked very cool, though.)