Episode 83 ****SPOILERS****

[LostAngel]

Originally posted by: DarthEnder
A little transcript from the episode:

Kis: "Perhaps you can fight him evenly...but I cannot. He is too strong."

Ita: "Yes. If we both fought him, we would both be killed...or in a good case, we might kill him, but we'd die along with him. Even if we had more men, that result would not change."

Kis: "His caretaker is a legendary Sannin."

Now, maybe its just me, but in the first few lines they are talking about a He and a Him, and then, in that last one that say that His caretaker is a Sannin(obviously Jir).

So from the way this looks, I think that the person they are talking about who is able to kill them is actually Naruto, or, more likely, they are talking about Naruto as though he IS the Demon Fox, and it is actually the Demon Fox they think is stronger than them and not Jir.

EDIT: Bah, I see Cheez already brought this up, and with screenshots too. My bad. Anyway, I don't know if the translations are right or wrong, but from what the AnA version says, I think they are talking about the Fox.

I think they are too.... I have only seen the A/A version I wonder what the Shik one version translated it as. Oh and Kisame being the girl can't be because in the preview for the next ep is standing right next to Itachi. I think Naruto saved Sasuke, Sasuke comes and saves Naruto that way they are even again. And Naruto gets to see how powerful Sasuke has gotten. I think Sasuke might awaken some new ability like when he fought Haku he was able to awaken the use of sharingon. I dont know. I just hope Jiriaya really didn't fall for that type of trap. That flashback of him and the third I think was a hint to let us know what he is going to do. I mean why else would they talk about him using the cloaking thingy.

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by: DarthEnder
A little transcript from the episode:

Kis: "Perhaps you can fight him evenly...but I cannot. He is too strong."

Ita: "Yes. If we both fought him, we would both be killed...or in a good case, we might kill him, but we'd die along with him. Even if we had more men, that result would not change."

Kis: "His caretaker is a legendary Sannin."

Now, maybe its just me, but in the first few lines they are talking about a He and a Him, and then, in that last one that say that His caretaker is a Sannin(obviously Jir).

So from the way this looks, I think that the person they are talking about who is able to kill them is actually Naruto, or, more likely, they are talking about Naruto as though he IS the Demon Fox, and it is actually the Demon Fox they think is stronger than them and not Jir.

EDIT: Bah, I see Cheez already brought this up, and with screenshots too. My bad. Anyway, I don't know if the translations are right or wrong, but from what the AnA version says, I think they are talking about the Fox.

In this case I think it's a little confusion on the part of the translation. Both Naruto and Jiraiya are "he", after all, so I interpreted it as Kisame switching to talking about Naruto suddenly without informing the viewer. Perhaps a less confusing wording would be "That caretaker is a legendary Sannin."

It wouldn't make any sense for them to be afraid of Naruto, in any case, since he's the one that they're trying to get, and the one being protected by a legendary ninja. If Itachi and Kisame are afraid of Naruto and not Jiraiya, Orochimaru would have been afraid of him as well, being at the same level as Jiraiya, but he had no trouble sealing off the Kyuubi's powers a while back, without even batting an eye.

Also, Itachi subsequently talks about everyone having a weakness. Then, a pretty girl shows up, which directly appeals to Jiraiya's failing, and Itachi and Kisame show up at Naruto's door at the end of the episode. The implication is clearly that Jiraiya was sidetracked so that Itachi could get to Naruto without any trouble from the old man. The story would make no sense if Itachi talks about Naruto's weakness and then shows up without doing anything to Naruto previously other than distracting his schlub teacher. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] There's no evidence in the anime that anyone (other than Naruto) thinks Jiraiya's reputation is unfounded.

[Weshy]

That would take up an incredible amount of Chakra! I guess that makes Naruto a prime candidate to try that kind of thing? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] But I'm guessing that the Chidori's would be smaller and less effective than the single major one...still though would be damn cool to see (and hear!) 100's of Chidori at once.

The episode itself was pretty good, particularly the ending. Maybe I was just naive, but I just didn't see it coming, I thought it would take at least another episode for itachi to find Naruto? The episode also kinda showed what Kisame is a fair way behind Itachi and Jiraiya. Also interesting to note the hesitation that Itachi has on taking on Jiraiya 1-1...seems Jiraiya may be strong enough to take out Itachi (can't be sure, might just be another example of minimalist Itachi, just do what is required...but sill it throws water in the face of those who wrote Jiraiya off...bests not start this here though). I thought that this was one of the rare recent episodes where Sakura showed any development. Is it just me or are Sasuke's thoughts/atmosphere becoming darker and darker? Good episode all up.

Weshy.

[ShinobiNeko]

(^_^) I thought the episode was great... I liked the part when the guy gave away that Itachi had come to the village and Sasuke's face... plus Jiraiya was funny as well ^^ But of course, the ending was great...such a cliffhanger.... T.T ah.... I can't wait for the next episode...see Sasuke fight Itachi...but of course we know would would win that...^_^

[Jchiang87]

i just remembered something

didn't they say 3 anbu were also coming on this trip?

maybe the anbu will show up and stall time for naruto while 1 of them goes find jiraiya?

[deadlydreamx]

the 3 anbu guys are probably watchin jiraiya and the girl to see if they can get the left overs[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[logic]

You guys automatically assume sauske will be doing chidori...


Naruto is the #1 ninja at suprizing people.

It hinted at it when they showed him and kakashi breifly trying to do the chidori.

Naruto was in his room practicing molding chakra, training.










I will not be suprized if naruto does it.

[Aeon]

Was it just wishful thinking on my behalf or is Sauske starting to past Kakashi's level with chidori? It looked like he already whacked that big rock with Chidori about 2 or 3 time's before he activated it again and still had enough chakra and stamina to run to next village as well as how the next ep title look's he's gonna do it again.

About Gai not stopping Sauske, I think the reason that he didn't stop him was because nobody but Kakashi knew that Naruto had left the village. So I'm guessing when he saw Itachi leave the village without Naruto he figured Sauske would run into him at his house and not go to the next village over in search of him.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: IamSpazzy
Is chidori a technique that anyone can do? because Kakashi says that it isn't quite so simple to teach someone. I would imagine that if Naruto combined Chidori with Kage Bushin, it'd be pretty insane.

no, you need fast taijutsu for the stab, and you need sharingan to be able to run straight at the enemy without leaving yourself open to counter

this is why kakashi prolly wont bother teaching naruto that technique

[Mut]

there isn't anyone that can just beat the hell out of itachi or jiraiya... of course if they both fought, each one would be in extreme danger of losing their lives.

[Outtawack311]

The second time through this episode was much better. Although it might just be because i am pretty drunk right now.

[SK]

i think Naruto may be able to do it so he can get Sasuke's and Jiraiya's attention. the name of the next episode hints at it, Conjure Chidori, Howl Sasuke (may be bad translation) so i think it either means Naruto will do it or Sasuke will see Itachi and do it to get Jiraiya's attention.

[mitch02fu]

o.0;


okay the title for ep 84 is self explanatory
i belive that ep 84 means that sasuke will use the chidori
i doubt its for jaraiyas attention.... more like trying to kill his brother [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
also the rock hitting the womans foot well ive read one post done in here (i forget who but it seems lie theve read the manga and know whats been happening >=( because while ive read it im not going to spoil it for you all...

now uhhh what else it clearly states in the episode that naruto is going to learn a jutsu thats more destuctive than the chidori so i guess you'll see the unknown jutsu in like ep 86-90 or somthing i dunno

also if naruto did combine the kagebushin with the chidori it wouldn't work

because the chidori uses alot of chakra and the kage bushin devides the users chakra evenly between the clones thus the clones wouldn't have enought charkra to preform the chidori each

also i keep feeling that ive seen the animated parts of tis episode like a month back >.< like the part when sasuke finds out about his brother i clearly remember the exact same aniated part a month back for som reason O.0 freaky dajavu >.<

anyhoo i hope you all have fun watching the anime ^_^

[Justhecuke]

i actually think that Naruto is gonna pull off a chidori, since he WAS in his room practicing controlling his chakra. It would be pretty awesome for Naruto to pull off a chidori while using the kage bunshin no jutsu so he can make a billion holes ina a piece of wood after Itachi pulls a kawarimi and thus wastes Naruto's chakra
and that lady, i think that other weird zombie looking guy with the giant sword thing transformed into her, and the hitter her with the rock thing was to look at her face and bodily features to do a good copy of her...
also, i think that zombie guy is gonna change back into his former self after getting Jirayi drunk so he can then kill him easily and with surprise.

[The_Fourth]

This a a good episode, I loved the part when it shows a flashback of Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru when they were young.

[Terracosmo]

C'mon now don't be stupid, you KNOW that Naruto won't do the Chidori. That's just stupid. Please just think some more.

[Gods_Son]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
C'mon now don't be stupid, you KNOW that Naruto won't do the Chidori. That's just stupid. Please just think some more.

Agreed, it's also ridiculous to say that Sasuke's chidori is better than Kakashi's.

v exactly, that's why I said it was ridiculous for some people to compare the two v

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: KonohamaruCorps

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
C'mon now don't be stupid, you KNOW that Naruto won't do the Chidori. That's just stupid. Please just think some more.

Agreed, it's also ridiculous to say that Sasuke's chidori is better than Kakashi's.

Yeah you cant compare a genins chidore to a high level jounin like kakashis.
Also Kakashi dont need speed to do Chidori like sasuke as he showed against zabuza.

[Assertn]

kakashi said he could perform the raikiri like, 4 times (or was it 6 times).....a killing move is a killing move, no matter who its done by, so how strong it is isnt the issue...but kakashi can use it twice as many times as sasuke can in a day. (which is kinda weird how sasuke was able to go for a 3rd chidori stab into the rock in that ep...im guessing he has more chakra since he wasnt using his sharingan at the time)

and you dont KNOW if jiraiya is gonna teach naruto a new technique thats better than the chidori....it sounded to me like he was just saying that cause he knows it'll get naruto's attention (then again i only watched the raw of this ep, so maybe he mentioned it again and i didnt notice)

[IamSpazzy]

Why does Kakashi have the distinction as the copy ninja, when he's not the only one with the sharingan? Does the sharingan automatically copy a jitsu into one's memory? or does it just show you how a jitsu is done, and it's up to you as the ninja to memorize the jitsu? (An analogy is like playing a song off of sheet music vs. memorizing the song).