Episode 83 ****SPOILERS****

[kage_bunshin]

Originally posted by: jing
I watched the Shin-Otaku version, and it said that Kisame would die, but Itachi could match him. So I don't know who's subbed version to trust. But I know that shin otaku messed up big in episode 81..... but anyways... the manga didn't even show this part.......... damn i wish i really knew what they said.

hey jing, i'm having the same problem here. ANBU-AonE and shin otaku were both totally different in subbing this part, but ANBU's version is probably correct but i'm still confused [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Vagabond]

That scene is in the manga. Chapter 144 page 9 to be exact.

[cheez121]

My guess is that Kisame transformed into the girl. I also think that Jiraiya knew this, because he told Naruto to go into the room and mold chakra. Now, this is just a guess, but maybe he wants Naruto to do this because either:

A) Use up all his chakra so he goes Kuuybi on Itachi.
B) Get ready to fight so he can see what Naruto can do.
C) Just because he was blind at the time and just wanted to hang with the girl.

If the answer is C, then I'm guessing he's going to see the REAL version of the girl, then kick the fakes ass (if it is Kisame or something).

Also, did anyone notice that when Jiraiya and Naruto regiester at the inn, the girl with the green hat is behind the counter (the same one that Sasuke talks to)? Maybe Sasuke is in the same hotel as Naruto and Itachi after all.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: cheez121
My guess is that Kisame transformed into the girl.

ahahaha.....yeah i can just picture kisame all flirting with jiraiya [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[jing]

thanks for finding the page for me, but it didn't say how jiraiya would kill them both. so........ in the end im still confuzzled...we need a translator here.

[Raven]

Here's what they say in the manga - just so people can compare:

Kisame: "You can fight how and where you want, but I don't know... the time is wrong."

Itachi: "Ah. To meet those two and kill them. It's a good place to fight. So they can't increase the number of people they have."

K: "It was good that we found him at the Ramen shop. But he's protected by one of the 3 legendary ninjas. That guy might be a match for the #1 of the Leaf and one of the Mist's Seven Strongest."

I: "Ah, but, it is said that every strong man has a weak point."

So, Kisame said that Jiraiya might possibly be a match for them. This is in contrast to the anime, where Itachi said Jiraiya would beat them. So we have to ask, which is a more reliable source: the manga or the anime?

We can't really discuss it further without spoiling though, so we'll have to wait untill a few more eps are released.

[Kumiriko]

Anyone want to get out as a Seeder. My BT hasnt moved at all. and the only Direct download site i know of dosnt have eps 83

[Assertn]

kumiriko, there's still over 2000 seeds for 83....having one or two more of us seed it isnt going to change anything if you are having trouble dling it

[Y]

I much prefer Shin Otaku's translation, which both makes it obvious that they are referring to Jiraiya and makes the much less controversial statement that fighting Jiraiya would "put their lives at risk". There is no way in Hell that the sentiment of definite death is the correct one.

[Mut]

itachi and kisame vs jiraiya = absolute death for itachi and kisame?

that's complete bullshit. even if it was itachi vs jiraiya (or any of the sannins) and kisame = absolute death for jiraiya and kisame, i still wouldn't believe it. there is no way someone is THAT strong right now. we're not far enough in the anime yet.

[chambers]

i think its just implying that jira has a chance at killing itachi, just like i think some people overeacted when oro said that itachi was stronger. it doesnt mean he IS stronger. lee states that neji is stronger but wants to fight and defeat him.

i think its more a case of probablitys, where theres a good chance that jira would seriously wound itachi and kisame should they fight, just like if oro fought itachi theres a good chance that no matter the ourcome, they could both not end up walking away with there lives.

[SK]

i think it might have just been a mix up in the A&A translation, i really didnt notice when i watched the ep, i just figured they were talking about jiraiya, until i seen it on here is when i really noticed. itachi may be a match for jiraiya but he can probably beat him, id like to see naruto kick kisame's ass though.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: chambers
i think its just implying that jira has a chance at killing itachi, just like i think some people overeacted when oro said that itachi was stronger. it doesnt mean he IS stronger. lee states that neji is stronger but wants to fight and defeat him.

i think its more a case of probablitys, where theres a good chance that jira would seriously wound itachi and kisame should they fight, just like if oro fought itachi theres a good chance that no matter the ourcome, they could both not end up walking away with there lives.

no... you're wrong. there was no overreaction. orochimaru knows that itachi is stronger than him. someone who is so arrogant and supposed to have been the 4th wouldn't say something like that if it didn't mean anything.

i think this is inane version (the AA version of mangas). even if it isn't inane, i've had different versions before but all of them are pretty similar in translations when orochimaru was talking about itachi. it kinda sucks how there is such inconsistancies in translations for the anime. and i can't even rely on translations from the anime cuz they add random stuff to it and translate it. there is no original source we can look back on and we don't know if kishimoto is involved in the new additions. i'm sure as long as it doesn't derail the storyline, the animators can add new scenes without kishimoto being involved.

and of course there is a good chance that jiraiya would mess up itachi and kisame. he is one of the sannins after all. but i'm not gonna trust the this translation: "Yes. If we both fought him, we would both be killed...or in a good case, we might kill him, but we'd die along with him. Even if we had more men, that result would not change." said by itachi. it's impossible for someone to be THAT strong. and if for some reason he was THAT strong... wouldn't the 3rd have wanted to choose him as yondaime?

[SilentSnake]

I suppose that just like now he wouldn't want to be hokage... He don't want now, why should he want back then ??

there's a possibility that Sandaime just knew that we was gonna refuse to be hokage either way OR he asked him if he would be new hokage but he refused to him, so orochimaru was next in line... well, after all, we can't tell, but that's also an option.

right now we know nothing about jiraiya's real power

[Gods_Son]

I believe Itachi and Kisame's statements in reference to Jiraiya were slight mistranslations by A/A, what Orochimaru said wasn't.

[Destiny]

I basically got the impression that they said that if they were to take on Naruto and the Kyuubi, they would lose their lives, but if they're lucky, they could take Naruto down with them. Then they mention Jiraiya is watching over him and that he's strong, but all stong people hav a weakness. So Itachi is not really worried about getting killed by Jiraiya, but Naruto and Kyuubi.
Well, I could be wrong, it's just a bit confusing atm

[The_Fourth]

It cant be since Naruto cant even beat Kakashi. So how could he beat Itachi, its preety imposible for him right now.

[chambers]

i have to disagree with you there ^^^^. its clear from the hokage/oro fight that it is very possible for two high level people to fight each other and suffer long term/permanet injurys or death. so i think thats what the translation meant ( i havent seen the AA one yet tho). it would be reasonable for itachi so say that because of the high level of jira it would be unreasonable to assume they could fight without suffering major damage, i think that is an obvious point.

also mutata you are saying its impossible for someone to be that strong as in beating itachi and kisame, yet you think its possible to assume that itachi could beat kakashi (he did and without breaking a sweat at that) gai, kurenai (almost the same as kakashi) and asuma? yet you think it cant be possible for a legendary ninja, student of the greatest ninja ever, to beat a younger genius ninja and (what i presume to be) one of th eseven best ninja of the mist village.

[Destiny]

Originally posted by: chambers
i have to disagree with you there ^^^^. its clear from the hokage/oro fight that it is very possible for two high level people to fight each other and suffer long term/permanet injurys or death. so i think thats what the translation meant ( i havent seen the AA one yet tho). it would be reasonable for itachi so say that because of the high level of jira it would be unreasonable to assume they could fight without suffering major damage, i think that is an obvious point.

also mutata you are saying its impossible for someone to be that strong as in beating itachi and kisame, yet you think its possible to assume that itachi could beat kakashi (he did and without breaking a sweat at that) gai, kurenai (almost the same as kakashi) and asuma? yet you think it cant be possible for a legendary ninja, student of the greatest ninja ever, to beat a younger genius ninja and (what i presume to be) one of th eseven best ninja of the mist village.

chambers : Hasn't something like this already been discussed in the Itachi thread...?
Also about yer bottom statement. Makes sense i guess, but u cant really jump to conclusions seeing that we hav no idea how strong Jiraiya is.

The_Fourth : I'm talking about Naruto and Kyuubi. If Itachi really attempts to kill Naruto himself, he wouldnt need to break a sweat, but if he needed to manipulate the Kyuubi, that's a different story. Besides, i dont think Naruto would die so easily without letting the Kyuubi come out and wreck some havoc.

[The_Fourth]

I agree with you that Naruto wouldnt die as easy with Kyuubi chakra, but still he wouldnt represent too much trouble for Itachi.