If Naruto rasengan isnt a high level like Jirayas or the 4th Rasengan then i wonder how powerful the rasengan really is cause Narutos weak rasengan almost killed a medical specielist like Kabuto who protected himeself.
If Naruto rasengan isnt a high level like Jirayas or the 4th Rasengan then i wonder how powerful the rasengan really is cause Narutos weak rasengan almost killed a medical specielist like Kabuto who protected himeself.
i am under the impression that a jutsu lvl has to do with chakra control and execution. wich is why super high lvl jutsu's are hard for sharingan to copy. unless the sharingan user has the required genius to comprehend what is his/her eyes are seeing. not only comprehend but have the ctrol of their body and chakra to perform it at the precision needed. I believe that the rasegan could easily be copy by the hyuga clan. not so much by other who have not strained their bodies to manipulate chakra from chakra holes. i tihnk the the speed and power requiments of the rasegan are what make it such a high lvl jutsu because of the chakra control required to pull it off. the exact reason why Naruto has to use two hands to do at his current lvl.
narutos rasengan isnt weak he just forms it slower and in a diffrent way than jiraiya does.Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
If Naruto rasengan isnt a high level like Jirayas or the 4th Rasengan then i wonder how powerful the rasengan really is cause Narutos weak rasengan almost killed a medical specielist like Kabuto who protected himeself.
Welll Hokage-IV, that's a good question.
The way I see it, there is a difference between a knife, and fire. One is physical, being the knife, and fire is not. Now before anyone starts going all science on my ass (yes I know fire is also physical), let me exlain. A knife will always have the same mass, while a fire will roar up, sink, be blown in all directions, etc. It can also die out in a moment. The knife will always go in the direction you throw it and affected very little by wind. When there is wind combined with fire, you have a big-ass problem on your hands.
To answer your question, yes, Orochimaru could certinally be killed by a standard weapon. He may be one of the strongest ninjas alive, but he is still only human. I base this simply on the "physical" theory in the above paragraph. For one, if Orochimaru didn't bring up his defenses against a fire jutsu, he would most likely be burned alive. If he got a knife stab in the heart, he'd still die. The reason? Using a weapon is not a ninja technique, so to speak. There is no way to build up resistance to a weapon. Sure, you can deflect weapons with other techniques, but there is no way you have a jutsu defense for something that is not a jutsu.
That is also the reason I think ninjas use weapon. The options for countering them are few. You can either, catch them, dodge them, or be hit by them. The last being the least prefferrable.
i agree up till the point where you said "there is no way you have a jutsu defense for something that is not a jutsu"Originally posted by: SideLabel
Welll Hokage-IV, that's a good question.
The way I see it, there is a difference between a knife, and fire. One is physical, being the knife, and fire is not. Now before anyone starts going all science on my ass (yes I know fire is also physical), let me exlain. A knife will always have the same mass, while a fire will roar up, sink, be blown in all directions, etc. It can also die out in a moment. The knife will always go in the direction you throw it and affected very little by wind. When there is wind combined with fire, you have a big-ass problem on your hands.
To answer your question, yes, Orochimaru could certinally be killed by a standard weapon. He may be one of the strongest ninjas alive, but he is still only human. I base this simply on the "physical" theory in the above paragraph. For one, if Orochimaru didn't bring up his defenses against a fire jutsu, he would most likely be burned alive. If he got a knife stab in the heart, he'd still die. The reason? Using a weapon is not a ninja technique, so to speak. There is no way to build up resistance to a weapon. Sure, you can deflect weapons with other techniques, but there is no way you have a jutsu defense for something that is not a jutsu.
That is also the reason I think ninjas use weapon. The options for countering them are few. You can either, catch them, dodge them, or be hit by them. The last being the least prefferrable.
its a good theory, but one jutsu that readily comes to mind that can beat projectiles and physical attacks is the kaiten. When neji spun around, he could not only deflect the naruto clones that jumped at him, but the shurikens that naruto threw at him as well. Im pretty sure there are other barrier type jutsus that serve similiar purposes as well
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I believe he is saying a defense that is not active. As in you just stand there and seemingly do nothing. I agree with this theory that if you know the jutsu well enough, it wont really affect you. I also had a theory on hand seals that i posted on the anime forum(because u can't really see how many hand seals are used in the manga) but it goes along the lines that after u learn a jutsu well enough, u can do them without hand seals.
as for the lines
"to appreciate the degree of difficulty of this jutsu, he (4th) was six grades above the second... 'a'-rank ultra-high grade level"
"in order to comprehend the jutsu, you need to be at 3rd grade level jutsu"
I took this statement in actual system of levels of jutsus. This is because i think somewhere it also says that the ransengan is the 2nd hardest jutsu in its level(i think there were like 7 in the level) and that the level was the 2nd highest level of jutsus(meaning above this level there was only 1 more level). I have to check up on that to make sure.
Anyways my theory on this statement is that jiraiya is saying the 4th was able to do jutsus in the highest level(assuming the rasengan is "the second [jutsu in] 'a'-rank ultra-high grade level". However the 4th still took 3 years to learn how to do this jutsu. At the time Jiraiya was saying how difficult this jutsu was to learn.
So basically Jiraiya was saying that even though the 4th knew how do to harder jutsus, the ransengan is fundamentally different to learn than most other high level jutsus. The high level fire and water jutsus the hokages do use seals whereas ransengan uses chakra control.
Well thats my guess anyway.
Originally posted by: SideLabel
Welll Hokage-IV, that's a good question.
The way I see it, there is a difference between a knife, and fire. One is physical, being the knife, and fire is not. Now before anyone starts going all science on my ass (yes I know fire is also physical), let me exlain. A knife will always have the same mass, while a fire will roar up, sink, be blown in all directions, etc. It can also die out in a moment. The knife will always go in the direction you throw it and affected very little by wind. When there is wind combined with fire, you have a big-ass problem on your hands.
To answer your question, yes, Orochimaru could certinally be killed by a standard weapon. He may be one of the strongest ninjas alive, but he is still only human. I base this simply on the "physical" theory in the above paragraph. For one, if Orochimaru didn't bring up his defenses against a fire jutsu, he would most likely be burned alive. If he got a knife stab in the heart, he'd still die. The reason? Using a weapon is not a ninja technique, so to speak. There is no way to build up resistance to a weapon. Sure, you can deflect weapons with other techniques, but there is no way you have a jutsu defense for something that is not a jutsu.
That is also the reason I think ninjas use weapon. The options for countering them are few. You can either, catch them, dodge them, or be hit by them. The last being the least prefferrable.
This is very complex because there is so many aspects to it, and i think ur theory is pretty good
As for me , I don't think Kishimoto is following certain laws that can be indentified precisly . For Example, We know there is gravity in Naruto cuz they cant fly, but they can jump like 50 feet up high and somtimes they can jump 100 feet up high . So which law is he following? the gravity is the same but the ninjas are physically much stronger and their chakra, adds to the equation . which we know its anamoly how much if effects or , is gravity was just simply been modified which is not the same as the real world.
mass theory makes sense and it clears up quite a few things . but if there is a ninjutsu defense , do you consider running away from the jutsu a defense? or do they only have defense against fire? certainly element jutsu are comparable with each other in terms of lvls . we see that they can stand in fire and not get their skin burnt off. Also we ccan see they avoid water jutsu and if they get caught like zabuza did ,we can see the effect of it and that was against his own jutsu.
personally i dont think there is a defense, well actually i do, its called ego
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no laws are being properly followed, but if a ninja jumps 100 feet he probably used a little more chakra to give him a boost, i woudl think its simple as that.
i dont remember anywhere about rasengan being the 2nd highest but that might just be the subs i read.
naruto still needs three hands, his right hand and the clones two hands to mold it. if he can do it with only his one hand would he be equal to jiraiya's???
anyone remember how hatake the coughing ninja died? he attacked the sand nin who said "a sword of metal can be stopped, but not a sword of air'. maybe that jutsu is somewhat similar? although i doubt it is superior to the rasengan if the 4th created it.
damnit i hate having to wait a week for the manga and get so little info each week.
Naruto only needs two hands to do Rasengan...anyone remember inside the fat guys jutsu? He uses Rasengan...or against Sasuke, I believe he uses Rasengan without using a clone
What about Gaara? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]believe he is saying a defense that is not active. As in you just stand there and seemingly do nothing
As for the whole fire and physical attack thing, I think that a strong guy like Oro, if he just stood there and did nothing (and had no contingencies), could be killed by a simple shruiken or basic fire jutsu.
It seems that all attacks, whether it be a a tidal wave or fireball or whatever, are made up of or powered by chakra. So, it makes sense that chakra could also be used to stop those jutsus, correct?
Just like itachi dodged sasuke's chidori with a simple flick of his wrist, it makes sense that a fireball of the same level could be dodged with a nominal amount of chakra.
There are probably a myriad of gaping holes in that argument, but hell, it was only about 2 minutes of speculation.
Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
narutos rasengan isnt weak he just forms it slower and in a diffrent way than jiraiya does.Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
If Naruto rasengan isnt a high level like Jirayas or the 4th Rasengan then i wonder how powerful the rasengan really is cause Narutos weak rasengan almost killed a medical specielist like Kabuto who protected himeself.
I think Jiraya said something about that his rasengan i a low level rasengan compared to his and the fourth cause he hasnt mastered it if he had Kabuto would be dead. Also Jiraya only learned him 3 stages of the rasengan and he said it was six stages to learned it compelitly if i remember my manga well.
Im gonna read agian the chapters when he learns rasengan to be sure.
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