Have we the manga readers been dooped?

[codeRed]

Originally posted by: skyro
I haven't read that part in the manga for a while but wasn't jiraiya when he was fighitng oro still under the effects of the drugs that tsunade put in his sake?

And Memnoch if in fact AK of Troy did translate that text like I said I'm pretty sure it's accurate. Actually if you check out the animesuki forums one of the memebers translated it himself and it is virtually the same.

It seems like it doesn't matter who translated it people still don't want to believe it and still insist that Itachi is the strongest and that there is no equal. I was surprise myself when the dialogue came up but it seemed pretty much cut and dry that Itachi admits that Jiraiya is stronger.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: codeRed

Originally posted by: skyro
I haven't read that part in the manga for a while but wasn't jiraiya when he was fighitng oro still under the effects of the drugs that tsunade put in his sake?

And Memnoch if in fact AK of Troy did translate that text like I said I'm pretty sure it's accurate. Actually if you check out the animesuki forums one of the memebers translated it himself and it is virtually the same.

It seems like it doesn't matter who translated it people still don't want to believe it and still insist that Itachi is the strongest and that there is no equal. I was surprise myself when the dialogue came up but it seemed pretty much cut and dry that Itachi admits that Jiraiya is stronger.

well, i said this in a thread before but kisame does ask why itachi has to retreat from jiriaya.

so, like... before they say that they would get killed, but then later they question the reason for retreat, asking as if it was unnecessary. so, wtf?

[MemnochTheCaT]

Could be that Kisame really wanted to go ahead with the mission, and wanted a different plan .. like Itachi staying behind to distract Jiraiya while Kisame went ahead and took Naruto.

The clear problem with Itachi/Kisame/Strength is that they failed in their mission, though they did escape with their lives.

[Knives122]

i dont think they necessarily confirmed who they were talking about did they?

[MemnochTheCaT]

Given how easily Kyuubi Naruto was nerfed by Oro, I don't think that Itachi was talking about anyone besides Jiraiya.

Naruto ... no he's tough, but not fast/smart enough to face Itachi
Kyuubi Naruto .. tougher, but can be dealt with (Oro/Kimi)
Sasuke .. lmao no way
Jiraiya .. bingo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[Raven]

Originally posted by: MemnochTheCaT
Given how easily Kyuubi Naruto was nerfed by Oro, I don't think that Itachi was talking about anyone besides Jiraiya.

Naruto ... no he's tough, but not fast/smart enough to face Itachi
Kyuubi Naruto .. tougher, but can be dealt with (Oro/Kimi)
Sasuke .. lmao no way
Jiraiya .. bingo [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Maybe they were talking about the Kyuubi itself - not Kyubi Naruto, but the demon released.

Also, we still have to consider the possible fact that if they WERE talking about Jiraiya, Itachi might have just been pessimistic. He may have just been fully overestimating Jiraiya as much as he could, saying "We'll definitely die if we face him" so that there was no chance of going into battle overconfident. But the reality might be different to what he said.

BTW, I'm just trying to consider all the possibilities.

[MemnochTheCaT]

Itachi doesn't seem to have the personality of someone who either exaggerates or underestimates anything.

Why would Kyuubi Naruto pose a threat to Itachi? Oro tossed Kyuubi Naruto aside like a pair of moldy socks, and I doubt Itachi would do anything to unseal Kyuubi on purpose, the Akatsuki probably have a particular plan in place for that procedure. If we believe Oro (considering how insane Oro is, he might have been just talking out of his ass..), he is weaker than Itachi, so Itachi being threatened by Naruto in any form would be pretty silly at this point.

I think that it's pretty easy to tell that (A)- They were talking about Jiraiya, and (B)- We need to meet the rest of Akatsuki, so we have a real credible villain... Itachi is Sasuke's plot device, he isn't strong or complex enough to fill the role of primary baddie [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[orn210]

i think they're talking about jiraiya cuz in the manga they did, but it just doesn't look right they seem too scared from what they're talking about

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Jiraiya and Itachi are at the same lvl imo, but itachi is like 18 and jiraiya is like 50..

But when they go 1on1 they both have equale chance of winning. Dont underestimate Jiraiya nor Itachi [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] they're both @ kage lvl

[hopeknight]

I'm not really an Itachi fan, but I think he's strong, not because of his super ninja skills, but because he's smart. Like people have already said, it's not that he can't possibly win, it's that it would be a risk to face Jiraiya. He knows his oppponent is powerful and that there is a possibility of failure. So, being cautious is the best way to go. Itachi has proven to be cautious, and not at all reckless in battles, and I believe that's why he's so strong.

[Raven]

Yeah, a suicide jutsu would help explain it.

Maybe he has a famous one that they know about but we haven't seen/heard of it yet.

And Memnoch, in your most recent post, you referred to Kyuubi-Naruto. But if that was in response to my post, I was talking about Kyuubi himself, released.

[MemnochTheCaT]

That's interesting, but why would Kyuubi be released? Oro had no problem dealing with Naruto, rendering him completely useless AND unconcious (perfect for traveling hehehe)! If Itachi is stronger than Oro, and has the use of Mange sharingan, he could also deal with Naruto without a second thought. I'm thinking that if he HAD chosen to do this, he wouldn't have enough chakra to escape Jiraiya .. and obviously fighting Jiraiya head-on is extraordinarily dangerous in nature.

So, if logic holds, I don't think there's any way there were talking about Kyuubi itself ..

[Mut]

i think as smart as itachi is... he fucked up himself over. he used mangekyou sharingan on kakashi once, then he wasted one on sasuke. he tired himself out so bad he couldn't really do much... itachi, you idiot!

[Death BOO Z]

but you're forggetting that Itachi didn't use the mangakyou sharingan for fighting purposes at those times, he used it to increase his "I'm bad" factor...
against Kakashi, to show him the diffrence between a stolen sharingan and a real Uchiha sharinan, and against Sasuke to remind Sasuke that he still needs more hatefulness if he wants to beat him ("hey bro! remember that time when I killed everybody in the clan? what would you say if i gave ya a chance to relive that day?")...

besides, I'm quite positive that Jiraya won't fall to the sharingan technique, i think he might do a 'frog glare' and counter it, but that's just my speculation, and they're completly unrelated...


Itachi is just worried that his bishiness effects his 'bad ass' factor, espically with Kisame's rising popularity, so he wants to show us that he's just as evil as any other non-bishi villian....

sorry about that^, i was just hanging around today with a bunch of fangirls, not good for one's mental health...

[Gods_Son]

Enough about Jiraiya vs. Itachi, that wasn't a real fight. Don't hold it against either of them, wait for a real face off between the two.

v Perhaps, but we still haven't seen both at full potential. That would probably help determine it a little better. v

[Knives122]

but most likely that'll never happen so all we have is our imagination

[Hotsuma]

Itachi could easily fight and beat Jiraiya. Throw a naked girl at him, and Jiraiya would be distracted. That's when Itachi goes in for the kill.

What weaknesses does Itachi have so far? NONE. (Except Udon, heheh)

End of discussion. Itachi wins. Jiraiya's horny, and unfortunately, that's his biggest weakness.

[jing]

I think it's reasonanble to say that Jiraiya can suiscide no jutsu his ass.
But oro would not risk his life for anyone, he is selfish, so he will just run away.

I agree with Hotsuma, nose bleed no jutsu him to death.

[Insomniac]

you guys seriously overestimate Itachi

Itachi said that he could fight evening with Jiyaira but the only result could mean death to both of them (which is an acceptable result)

he also mentioned that no matter how many people helped it would still end up the same (thus showing the strength of jiyaira but still admitting that he would die)

they're just setting it up to be that Jiyaira and Itachi are even but Itachi does not want to die so he wont fight him all out.

one thing - just because Itachi is stronger then Oro (oh by the way in the anime it says 'now that is but a dream because he is stronger then me' when Oro has lost use of his arms 'now meaning i have no use of arms, itachi is stronger then me' but read it as you want to) doesnt mean that hes stronger then everyone at Oro's level.

THINK before you put everyone in the same category, personally i think that if Tsunade fought Itachi, Itachi would come out the loser as Tsunade doesnt use alot of jutsu and has amazing strength.

you have to remember that Itachi is still young while the legendary 3 are all LEGENDS FOR A REASON. Itachi might fight evenly with them but he is not stronger then them and definately not stronger then any former hokages.

one more thing, how are we to know that the manga translation was exactly what they were saying anyway?

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Insomniac
you guys seriously overestimate Itachi

Itachi said that he could fight evening with Jiyaira but the only result could mean death to both of them (which is an acceptable result)

he also mentioned that no matter how many people helped it would still end up the same (thus showing the strength of jiyaira but still admitting that he would die)

they're just setting it up to be that Jiyaira and Itachi are even but Itachi does not want to die so he wont fight him all out.

one thing - just because Itachi is stronger then Oro (oh by the way in the anime it says 'now that is but a dream because he is stronger then me' when Oro has lost use of his arms 'now meaning i have no use of arms, itachi is stronger then me' but read it as you want to) doesnt mean that hes stronger then everyone at Oro's level.

THINK before you put everyone in the same category, personally i think that if Tsunade fought Itachi, Itachi would come out the loser as Tsunade doesnt use alot of jutsu and has amazing strength.

you have to remember that Itachi is still young while the legendary 3 are all LEGENDS FOR A REASON. Itachi might fight evenly with them but he is not stronger then them and definately not stronger then any former hokages.

one more thing, how are we to know that the manga translation was exactly what they were saying anyway?

i'd have to disagree on some parts. i don't think tsunade would win. i think she lacks speed. if kabuto was able keep up with her i mean... what should we think of her? and yeah, they are legends for a reason, but they are way past their primes. the only person i could see being closest to their prime is orochimaru since he's the only one focusing on staying as a ninja while others are wasting their lives away gambling or being a pervert. and itachi is going into his prime while the sannin are pretty much out of it.