I thhink i summed it up decently even with the insuraty.
I thhink i summed it up decently even with the insuraty.
I'm personally a Neji fan, but I doubt he'd be able to learn Chidori. When Kakashi said Byakugan had better "insight" than Sharingan, I think he meant that it can see things with greater detail and focus than Sharingan, but it doesn't provide the auto-counters that Sharingan does through the "dot" things.
Also, with Rasengan, I guess any genius ninja might be able to master it given time, but Naruto was able to learn it quickly because he's using his own improvised method involving Kage Bunshin, which none of the genins have access to. Maybe after years of practice Neji might be able to master Rasengan, but we'll have to wait and see.
Right, and I'm claming that this is all that's needed...Originally posted by: w455up
I'm personally a Neji fan, but I doubt he'd be able to learn Chidori. When Kakashi said Byakugan had better "insight" than Sharingan, I think he meant that it can see things with greater detail and focus than Sharingan...
As mentioend in my last post, Sharingan doesn't give its user an auto-counter. Instead, it provides its owner 1.) Sharpness of sight, and 2.) An unconscience and automatic copying of jutsus. It is the former, rather than the later that is an indispensible ingredient to the chidori....but it doesn't provide the auto-counters that Sharingan does through the "dot" things.
i also doubt that neji has the speed required to deliver the chidori. i'm sure he could learn it, but it would take him a bit longer to learn than sasuke.Originally posted by: polaris79
Because of his diverse skill set, Neji should be able to master both the Rasengan and the Chidori.
Rasengan requires the user to not only have the chakra level capable of forcing chakra on the hand but the chakra control to properly focus it. As a prodigy of the Hyuga, Neji has chakra control superior to Naruto. If anything, Neji should be able to learn and master Rasengan more effiently than any character we've encountered so far.
As we all well know, Chidori is a technique unique to Sauske and Kakashi. It requires large stores of chakra, the ability to harness and control concetrated chakra, and an eye jutsu to see defensive counters. Neji has all of these. His Byakugan is as effective as Sharringan in its seeing abilities. There is no reason that Neji can't be as good as Suaske with the Chidori.
I'm entering this thread late, and in reading it all at once I'd say respectfully to polaris79 that while you're presenting good arguements, you're not quite right in your reasoning. Mut@t@ is correct. I'd present my own arguement but I'd just be repeating what Mut@t@ has already said.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
*sigh* why did i bother
I may be coming late into this thread, but i think these arguments will surely prove that Neji's Byakugan would be completely pointless in this equation.
1. Gaara's sand spikes could not have been seen by Nejis Byakugan because they are created at the surface of the sphere, therefore he would have been impaled by the sand spikes. Conclusion: his byakugan would have been useless and he would have been bleeding to death.
2. the sharingan gives the wielder lightning fast mental images of what it predicts (to an amazing amount of accuracy) will happen. the wielder needs physical speed in order to utilize the images given to him. this ability is not given by the Byakugan. Conclusion: Sharingan is required for Chidori (because it is not explosive)
3. Byakugan enhances vision ONLY. with training, Byakugan wielders can learn to read the persons body language to (almost) perfection. IT DOES NOT however, provide any sort of foresight on the movement of any target.
Thing i find strange about this point is that Neji did some sort of foresight in the Chuunin Exam while fighting against Naruto.Originally posted by: Kale Ironfist
3. Byakugan enhances vision ONLY. with training, Byakugan wielders can learn to read the persons body language to (almost) perfection. IT DOES NOT however, provide any sort of foresight on the movement of any target.
Remember, when Naruto got the nine-tails's power and increased his speed, Neji could see where he was (and that was not because Naruto was slowing down, they just made Naruto visible to the viewers or we couldnt have seen his move, the way he was drawn gives that away) and start his whirl.
When Neji then threw those... things.. ([img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]) back at Naruto, Naruto gained some impressive speed and still Neji knew where he was, you could see Neji step back from the place Naruto appeared.. he knew where he was..
Was that foresight or could he see the speed?
Cause it wasnt just coincidence
Just a point to be taken when talking about Sharingan. (Adding to Mut@t@'s arguements)
Remember when Kakashi was copying Zabuza in the first battle vs him. He spoke out the words Zabuza was thinking.
Sharingan has the ability, (Not to read minds), but I think it's something to do with the eye, that it make the opponents tell you what their thinking about. Thus, you can predict his moves before it happens.
Whereas the Byukagun it can't. But Byukagun can see into a person's internal organs, chakra points so what not.
I bet both can learn the chidori and Rasengan. Chidori won't be helpful for Neji though. Rasengan would be helpful. If he can learn the technique within a few years. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
MmmMmm. Ooiiishiii
Well... i agree with Terra on that even though i aint a fanboy..
Face it, he learned not to be so cocky about himself and the fate crap [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
first of all nejis byakugen doesnt work in the same way as the sharingan at all. the sharingan can see movement very well and the byakugen is set for overall superior vision. byakugas isnt good enough to see a counter movement or anticipate attacks, thats what sharingan does. to be able to master the chidori you have to predict your oponents movement so you can strike at an undefenced bodypart. not something neji can do since he cant predict his oponents movements with byakugan. however he would be able to master the rasengan, every character could since there is no special term for using this jutsu but it wouldnt be cool to see half of the cast running around doing chidori.
I think the Byakugan does allow certain reactions, based on the victims movements. Only in the Byakugan's case, it's purely psychological, as Neji pwned Hinata, in their discussion. By looking at every little detail in her face, body movements and probably breathing, he was able to determine what she was feeling, what her life is like, and even what kind of a person she is. Well, that could've been Neji's own quirk, though.
And Kakashi worked on Sasuke's body speed, because body speed was apparently required, in order to learn the Chidori.
I think it's very possible that Neji can learn it, too. As well as the Rasengan. Neither of them are blood-limits, which theoretically, make them possible. Provided,the learner has the chakra battery to do so.
Byakugan > Sharingan.
Neji > Sasule
Hyuga > Uchiha
I don't know if neji has the chackra stamina to learn either move but I suppose its possible..
in essence the Rasengan requires a huge amount of chackra to be focused into a tiny vortex - Neji might have the ability to learn it - but I don't think he could learn it on his own ...
more interestingly what if after seing Naruto use the Rasengan a few times, he used the same chaotic vortex theory to make his own Kaiten more effective?
The Chidori on the other hand is just the abitlity to focus a crapload of your chackra into one hand and focus to a sharp plane - the sharingan is in no way required for it, but without the sharingan you are much more likely to miss, wasting the chakra -
Neji's abilities would allow him to use the chidori, but not as effectively as a sharingan user i think. but to be honest - his own soft hand style can cause fatal injuries with a much lower expendature of energy - why would he bother with a near-suicidal charge attack?
isn't rasengan also an attack that goes straight to the enemy?
i wonder wich of them is the better. rasengan or chidori.
Not jsut anyone can learn Rasengan, Naruto has gotten to step 3, but theres 8 (unless someone translated it wrong or i cant read english) and it took the 4th 3 years to master it perfectly. Not soething anyone could do. Or figure out, to their eyes it looks just like a ball, uless instructed by someone who knows it not jsut anybody can figure it out. As far as we know the only people with the ability to do the Ransengan are Erosenin and the 4th. And possibly Naruto.Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiyahowever he would be able to master the rasengan, every character could since there is no special term for using this jutsu but it wouldnt be cool to see half of the cast running around doing chidori.
i'd just like to mention that. Neji CAN learn chidori and rasengan. but of course he probably won't be as effective as sasuke cuz he has sharingan.
and for neji to learn rasengan, he would have to train for years. maybe 10 years if yondaime was a genius and it took him 3 years.
because of the fact that Naruto's hands had kyubi's healing power, he was able to learn it quickly. A normal person would have to probably rest for a while/hand explodes from overpracticing.
Just a question:
When we first saw the Rasengan, it was when Jiraiya used it against that Stone Village Chuunin or whoever he was. How come it only threw him back and made a hole in his clothes rather than kill and destroy him? We saw what Naruto's did to Kabuto, so shouldn't Jiraiya's have been much worse?
Maybe Jiraiya was holding back a LOT or something.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
When jiraiya did his rasengan it was on for only about maybe 2 second. not allowing the whirl to spin therefore not allowing it to get anystronger. so even at that 2 second it wooped the chuunin's ass...
when naruto did his to naruto. naruto probably hold it for 10+ seconds. then launched it.
Originally posted by: JusDaMan
When jiraiya did his rasengan it was on for only about maybe 2 second. not allowing the whirl to spin therefore not allowing it to get anystronger. so even at that 2 second it wooped the chuunin's ass...
when naruto did his to naruto. naruto probably hold it for 10+ seconds. then launched it.
its more like he held it back, a jutsu isnt workign like for example a power shot in a game. the longer you hold it the stronger it gets. jiraiya used neough strength to push the chuunin backwards since he didnt need to kill him.
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