new guy, maybe old questions

[Raven]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
is rasengan even technically a ninjutsu? im under the impression that its just a swirling ball of chakra emitted from his hand.....
to call rasengan a jutsu would be calling the ability to walk up trees and stand on water as jutsus as well

i think its just a type of chakra control

Yep, I'm nearly 100% sure you're correct. It's not an official jutsu that can be copied with the Sharingan, it's advanced chakra control in the palm of your hand.

Originally posted by: Insomniac
The 3rd Hokage was stronger than the 4th, the 4th was said to be the same as Orochimaru skill wise (Oro was going to be 4th hokage but his ideals were evil).
the fact that the 4th sealed the Kyuubi gave him his awesomeness title but you have to remember that the 3rd is older and the 4th was in his prime, when the 3rd was in his prime he was the strongest ninja alive.

Agreed. Many people seem to forget this. The 3rd was the God of all shinobi.

[kaigan]

The 4th and 3rd are dame strong in their prime. Remember when anko was talking to the third when she said 'if HE was still alive (refering to the 4th)". So the 4th is definitely stronger than Oro. But who is stronger, we will ever know.

[Mut]

i think the only reason why the 3rd wanted choose orochimaru over the 4th for hokage was the 4th was too young at that time.

[hornetmike]

Yeah, he probably wanted Oro as his first choice cause oro was probably wiser and had more experience. But he was evil so he chose the 4th.

[The Lord of Morning]

Originally posted by: hornetmike
Yeah, he probably wanted Oro as his first choice cause oro was probably wiser and had more experience. But he was evil so he chose the 4th.

is there any indication we know how powerful the 4th was compared to orochi? I do think from the general flow of the anime that the 4th was indeed more powerful, but thats a guess based on conversations such as anko's. I think the 3rd initially wanted orochi because he saw his genius, but as soon as he knew he was evil the idea of choosing him was gone, at that point the most he could hope for was for orochi to change his ways, but with such an individual there is no way the 3rd could risk making him hokage in hopes he would change.

hmm another question, since the 4th sealed his life with the kyubi when he banished him, and since the kyubi didnt die but is sealed in naruto, would this mean the death jutsu was not enough to kill the kyubi? or do you think the 4th chose to seal the kyubi in naruto instead of killing it? I think the earth(?) scroll at the beginning has all the jutsu the 4th used to capture the kyubi, hence the fear that naruto could release it if he learned them all.

in their primes i would guess the 3rd was badass and definatly more powerful then orochi and definatly could beat the 1st and 2nd hokages but he was only afraid of the 3rd box, which had the 4th. who knows who was more powerful in their prime, but i think when we learn more about the 4th we will be fairly impressed, even after seeing all the ninja we have so far.

[bcrogers]

I'd say anything regarding the Yondaime will be exxagerated, because he was the village's hero. He was obviously excellent, but because of the nature of Naruto's battles (this ain't DBZ y'all) it would depend on circumstances. The kyuubi was around for a while, so likely it was on the fourth's terms when they fought. And as the fourth was a hokage--upstanding and all that--and Orichamaru is just plain badass, who do you think would gain the upper hand? Orichimaru is devious. Yondaime has been compared to Naruto. 'Nuff said.

Also, do you really think Sasuke would copy Naruto's technique? He's too proud. Also, it's only useful to Naruto when he has a plan, and uses it to force the opponent to focus on the duplicates. How many times has Naruto made a ton of duplicates, but attacked stupidly, and they've all been wasted? They're just flat out different people.

As for the Earth scroll...I wouldn't worry about it. I mean, the manga was just starting out then. Did Kishimoto even know if it was gonna fly? Sure, he tied the whole Mizaki thing up later (goddamnit, I just WATCHED 146, why have I already forgotten his name?) quite nicely, but I doubt he had deep ambitions for that scroll. Everything after the Haku ordeal can probably be taken literally, IMO.

Oh, and yes, I'm new here. Uh, hi.

[Yezsyr]

Regarding the question of the strongest ok the Kage level ninjas is this. Sandaime retired not because Yondaime was a stronger ninja than him, but because he felt that he was ready to retire, and his powers were on the decrease. The very fact that Sandaime matched up as well as he did against Orochimaru at the age he was at should speak volumns about the power he had in his prime. Orochimaru was as strong as he was at his prime, noted by the futility of Jiraiya's and Tsunade's attacks. (Orochimaru fought on par with them without his arms or jutsus, which should destory the notion that Jiraiya's stronger) But Sandaime fought on par with Oro with his arms. If you believe that Oro and Yondaime were close in strength, then you have to believe that Sandaime, IN HIS PRIME, was the strongest ninja. The thing about Yondaime is that he was so good, so young. He hadn't even reached his prime. He is similar to Kakashi in the sense that even at their current levels, they still have a lot of room to grow, or had in Yondaime's case.

About Sasuke and the Kage Bunshin. I would think he has by now, and certainly after the time skip... if he still exists.