Chapter 227

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hokage-IV

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
that is possibly the most incorrect statement ever made on this forum. naruto had zero chance against kimimaro and even gaara AND rock lee would've lost if it weren't for kimimaro's illness. kimimaro was just a superior fighter that none of the gennins (and shikamaru) could beat. i'm glad kimimaro wasn't beaten by any of those guys. when you talk about naruto thinking of a strategy to fight cleverly while in kyubi mode, it's almost a contradiction since when naruto is in full kyubi mode like how he was against kimimaro, naruto can't think clearly enough to be cunning because he is consumed in anger. there is no other way for naruto fight while in full kyubi mode like that. have naruto fought cleverly while using some of his kyubi chakra? yes, but never when he went all out.

That is possibly the most incorrect statement ever made on this forum. Naruto had zero chance? where do you get that? No, your onpinions doesnt mean its a fact. Kabuto > Kimmaro?..

i think this is the reason why so many people think that using kyubi chakra is lame while when gaara uses sand it's not. the kyubi chakra can do just so much more than what any other natural ability can (including curse seals). it is such a huge advantage in a fight that no other techniques or fighting styles can really match up to it.

umm.......What can Kyubi chakra can do more than any other natural ability other than healing? Im curious to know what your are talking about.

wow, learn how to quote. i had to fix a lot of crap.

first, i don't say incorrect things. if i didn't know what i was talking about, i wouldn't post it. anyway, zero chance was an exaggeration (since everyone has some chance of winning in any fight, even if the chance is VERY slim), so i'll go with: almost no chance. the reason for kimimaro dying from the illness instead of getting beaten by the genins is to show how strong he really was. there would be no point to have a character who could be defeated be beaten by someone/something other than the oponent. if gaara AND lee could not defeat kimimaro, what makes you think that naruto alone will be able to? just cuz he is the main character? of course not. there are reasons why certain times when naruto faces strong opponents the opponents either retreat or naruto moves on. it's cuz naruto can't beat them. it'd be dumb to have naruto fight a battle he can't win at all considering he is the main protagonist. ok, moving on, as you saw in the fight against gaara, kimimaro is practically uneffected by gaara's powerful ninjutsu and as you saw in the fight against lee, kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu. that leaves... genjutsu; naruto's prime skill. so... you care to explain how naruto could have had a chance of winning against kimimaro?

and i don't know about kabuto vs kimimaro, it's a toss up.

second, besides the healing the kyubi chakra can increase your stamina, agility, speed, reaction time, reflexes, strength and most importantly it gives you unlimited chakra capacity... i thought it was obvious but i guess it was pretty hard to figure after 227 chapters.

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Hokage-IV

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
that is possibly the most incorrect statement ever made on this forum. naruto had zero chance against kimimaro and even gaara AND rock lee would've lost if it weren't for kimimaro's illness. kimimaro was just a superior fighter that none of the gennins (and shikamaru) could beat. i'm glad kimimaro wasn't beaten by any of those guys. when you talk about naruto thinking of a strategy to fight cleverly while in kyubi mode, it's almost a contradiction since when naruto is in full kyubi mode like how he was against kimimaro, naruto can't think clearly enough to be cunning because he is consumed in anger. there is no other way for naruto fight while in full kyubi mode like that. have naruto fought cleverly while using some of his kyubi chakra? yes, but never when he went all out.

That is possibly the most incorrect statement ever made on this forum. Naruto had zero chance? where do you get that? No, your onpinions doesnt mean its a fact. Kabuto > Kimmaro?..

i think this is the reason why so many people think that using kyubi chakra is lame while when gaara uses sand it's not. the kyubi chakra can do just so much more than what any other natural ability can (including curse seals). it is such a huge advantage in a fight that no other techniques or fighting styles can really match up to it.

umm.......What can Kyubi chakra can do more than any other natural ability other than healing? Im curious to know what your are talking about.

wow, learn how to quote. i had to fix a lot of crap.

first, i don't say incorrect things. if i didn't know what i was talking about, i wouldn't post it. anyway, zero chance was an exaggeration (since everyone has some chance of winning in any fight, even if the chance is VERY slim), so i'll go with: almost no chance. the reason for kimimaro dying from the illness instead of getting beaten by the genins is to show how strong he really was. there would be no point to have a character who could be defeated be beaten by someone/something other than the oponent. if gaara AND lee could not defeat kimimaro, what makes you think that naruto alone will be able to? just cuz he is the main character? of course not. there are reasons why certain times when naruto faces strong opponents the opponents either retreat or naruto moves on. it's cuz naruto can't beat them. it'd be dumb to have naruto fight a battle he can't win at all considering he is the main protagonist. ok, moving on, as you saw in the fight against gaara, kimimaro is practically uneffected by gaara's powerful ninjutsu and as you saw in the fight against lee, kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu. that leaves... genjutsu; naruto's prime skill. so... you care to explain how naruto could have had a chance of winning against kimimaro?

and i don't know about kabuto vs kimimaro, it's a toss up.

second, besides the healing the kyubi chakra can increase your stamina, agility, speed, reaction time, reflexes, strength and most importantly it gives you unlimited chakra capacity... i thought it was obvious but i guess it was pretty hard to figure after 227 chapters.

what makes me think that naruto has a chance? cuz he beat Gaara and Neji in the same day.. and tied with kabuto , orochimaru's right hand man......I dont know if Naruto can beat Kimmaro.. you dont either... but zero chance and almost no chance? where do you get that?

Gaaras ninjutus and Lees Taijutsu and that only leaves genjutsu?lol Gaara and Lee is only 2char... it doesnt mean he isnt effected by ninjutsu or any taijutsu.. I would like to see what neji's taijutsu does against kimmaro..... kimmaro died from an Illness..guess hes not immune from internal damages.
Ninjutsu? I would like to see what Rasengan does to him..


stamina,agility,speed,reaction time, reflexes,stregnth ,, yep thats what chakra can do for you....


kyubi is part of Naruto..

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hokage-IV
what makes me think that naruto has a chance? cuz he beat Gaara and Neji in the same day.. and tied with kabuto , orochimaru's right hand man......I dont know if Naruto can beat Kimmaro.. you dont either... but zero chance and almost no chance? where do you get that?

Gaaras ninjutus and Lees Taijutsu and that only leaves genjutsu?lol Gaara and Lee is only 2char... it doesnt mean he isnt effected by ninjutsu or any taijutsu.. I would like to see what neji's taijutsu does against kimmaro..... kimmaro died from an Illness..guess hes not immune from internal damages.
Ninjutsu? I would like to see what Rasengan does to him..


stamina,agility,speed,reaction time, reflexes,stregnth ,, yep thats what chakra can do for you....


kyubi is part of Naruto..

what do you mean 'where do i get that?' did you just skip what i wrote? i explained how naruto's style of fighting is basically useless against kimimaro step by step. should i write it again?

and thanks for proving my point. neji's style of fighting is probably best fit for someone like kimimaro because of what we've seen against kidoumaru and guess what? naruto isn't neji and can't fight like him so that eliminates a very good method of dealing with kimimaro and his abilities. and as for the rasengan i like to see naruto catch him... naruto tried to land a punch with all those clones and didn't hit kimimaro once. how funny.

and yeah, duh, kyubi is part of naruto. what are you trying to say about that?

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@


what do you mean 'where do i get that?' did you just skip what i wrote? i explained how naruto's style of fighting is basically useless against kimimaro step by step. should i write it again?

yes,point to me whereyou wrote that explained Naruto's style is basically useless against kimmaro "step by step"

[/quote]and thanks for proving my point. neji's style of fighting is probably best fit for someone like kimimaro because of what we've seen against kidoumaru and guess what? naruto isn't neji and can't fight like him so that eliminates a very good method of dealing with kimimaro and his abilities. and as for the rasengan i like to see naruto catch him... naruto tried to land a punch with all those clones and didn't hit kimimaro once. how funny.[/quote]

you asked me and your argument was at that TIME, "if gaara AND lee could not defeat kimimaro, what makes you think that naruto alone will be able to?" and I said... Naruto beat Neji and Gaara. Then you said "thanks for proving my point. Neji's style of fighting is probably best fit for someone like Kimmaro" ....................

And i mention Neji's Taijutsu becasue you said .. "kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu. that leaves only Genjutsu" .............

Thanks for proving my point...you don't know what your talking about...

[/quote]and yeah, duh, kyubi is part of naruto. what are you trying to say about that?[/quote]

you sure you know Kyubi is part of Naruto?


[/quote] and as for the rasengan i like to see naruto catch him... naruto tried to land a punch with all those clones and didn't hit kimimaro once. how funny.[/quote]

diidnt that happened when Naruto fought Kabuto...... eventually kunai pierced thru his hand and was able to hold him and hit with Rasegen... funny is right, how ironic this sounds..

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Hokage-IV
yes,point to me whereyou wrote that explained Naruto's style is basically useless against kimmaro "step by step"

you're retarded. i've copy/pasted the exact quote except that i listed it in numerical steps:

ok, moving on,
1. as you saw in the fight against gaara, kimimaro is practically uneffected by gaara's powerful ninjutsu and
2. as you saw in the fight against lee, kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu.
3. that leaves... genjutsu; naruto's prime skill

is THAT clear enough for you?

you asked me and your argument was at that TIME, "if gaara AND lee could not defeat kimimaro, what makes you think that naruto alone will be able to?" and I said... Naruto beat Neji and Gaara. Then you said "thanks for proving my point. Neji's style of fighting is probably best fit for someone like Kimmaro" ....................

And i mention Neji's Taijutsu becasue you said .. "kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu. that leaves only Genjutsu" .............

Thanks for proving my point...you don't know what your talking about...

oh WOW... lol, you're trying to imply the rock, paper, scissors theory. it's proven that dumb theory doesn't work, stupid. i will end my response here...

you sure you know Kyubi is part of Naruto?

what the hell is this? a trick question? of course i'm sure that kyubi is part of naruto. you said it yourself too.

diidnt that happened when Naruto fought Kabuto...... eventually kunai pierced thru his hand and was able to hold him and hit with Rasegen... funny is right, how ironic this sounds..

kabuto and kimimaro are two completely different characters if naruto couldn't hit kimimaro ONCE with all those clones, i doubt that he can hit him with with a slow ass rasengan.

EDIT: i'm only being an asshole cuz this guy refuses to quote properly and it's annoying.

[Hokage-IV]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Hokage-IV
yes,point to me whereyou wrote that explained Naruto's style is basically useless against kimmaro "step by step"

you're retarded. i've copy/pasted the exact quote except that i listed it in numerical steps:

ok, moving on,
1. as you saw in the fight against gaara, kimimaro is practically uneffected by gaara's powerful ninjutsu and
2. as you saw in the fight against lee, kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu.
3. that leaves... genjutsu; naruto's prime skill

is THAT clear enough for you?

you asked me and your argument was at that TIME, "if gaara AND lee could not defeat kimimaro, what makes you think that naruto alone will be able to?" and I said... Naruto beat Neji and Gaara. Then you said "thanks for proving my point. Neji's style of fighting is probably best fit for someone like Kimmaro" ....................

And i mention Neji's Taijutsu becasue you said .. "kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu. that leaves only Genjutsu" .............

Thanks for proving my point...you don't know what your talking about...

oh WOW... lol, you're trying to imply the rock, paper, scissors theory. it's proven that dumb theory doesn't work, stupid. i will end my response here...

you sure you know Kyubi is part of Naruto?

what the hell is this? a trick question? of course i'm sure that kyubi is part of naruto. you said it yourself too.

diidnt that happened when Naruto fought Kabuto...... eventually kunai pierced thru his hand and was able to hold him and hit with Rasegen... funny is right, how ironic this sounds..

kabuto and kimimaro are two completely different characters if naruto couldn't hit kimimaro ONCE with all those clones, i doubt that he can hit him with with a slow ass rasengan.

EDIT: i'm only being an asshole cuz this guy refuses to quote properly and it's annoying.

Calm down,... dont need to use such harsh words.. just correct me if im wrong..

Thnx for ur "step by step" explanation.. i assume ur trying to salvage anything you can at this point? cuz it seems ur steps are contradicting your statements..

[/quote] i explained how naruto's style of fighting is basically useless against kimimaro step by step. should i write it again?[/quote]

This is "Naruto's Style of fighting is basically useless against kimmaro "step by step" ?

[/quote]ok, moving on,
1. as you saw in the fight against gaara, kimimaro is practically uneffected by gaara's powerful ninjutsu and
2. as you saw in the fight against lee, kimimaro impervious to all taijutsu.
3. that leaves... genjutsu; naruto's prime skill[/quote]

Gaara and Lee? , i thought you were going to point out where you wrote Naruto fighting style is basically useless against Kimmaro... it seems your mentiong Gaara and lee's fighting style.. but correct me if im wrong...


[/quote]oh WOW... lol, you're trying to imply the rock, paper, scissors theory. it's proven that dumb theory doesn't work, stupid. i will end my response here...[/quote]

Im glad that you ended your respones there... its not looking too good. "Its proven that dumb theory doesnt work , Stupid?" then you go say" thanks for proving my point. Neji's style of fighting is probably best fit for someone like Kimmaro"

which one is it?........

[/quote]kabuto and kimimaro are two completely different characters if naruto couldn't hit kimimaro ONCE with all those clones, i doubt that he can hit him with with a slow ass rasengan.[/quote]

You said Rock , Paper and scissor doesnt work.. stupid... but your right, I doubht that he can hit him with a slow ass rasengan.. but we're not talking about doubt... we're talking about "zero chance"

[/quote]EDIT: i'm only being an asshole cuz this guy refuses to quote properly and it's annoying. [/quote]

edit: Im only doing copy and paste.......




Try to grasp what the argument is about... You said Naruto has "Zero Chance" and my argument is... where do you get that? and I gave you examples to counter that argument.. Do i think Naruto can beat Kimmaro..probably not... but Zero Chance is your opnion and not a fact.. and you try to inforce it as a fact when you go insult ppl "that is possibly the most incorrect statement ever made on this forum. naruto had zero chance against kimimaro and even gaara AND rock lee would've lost if it weren't for kimimaro's illness."

[Mut]

you just get stupider as you post.

what am i trying to salvage? i've proven you wrong basically everytime you tried to say something remotely intelligent. stop trying to ignore what i said and force yourself to believe your own lies.

Gaara and Lee? , i thought you were going to point out where you wrote Naruto fighting style is basically useless against Kimmaro... it seems your mentiong Gaara and lee's fighting style.. but correct me if im wrong...

jesus christ. you really are dull. i guess i need to stoop down to 3rd grader writing level for you to understand. i purposely skipped explaining a simple 'connection' in order to minimize my typing but it seems that you can't understand anything. i mentioned gaara's ninjutsus and said that they were practically useless to suggest that if those powerful ninjutsus did not work, what makes you think naruto's ninjutsus are gonna work? yes, rasengan is powerful, but what are the chances of hitting kimimaro? next to nothing considering his 1000000000000000000 clones couldn't land a single hit. now, as for when i talked about lee's taijutsu. i applied the same type of argument/support in #2. as you know, rock lee is superior in taijutsu amongst the genins. what makes you think naruto's weak ass taijutsu can beat kimimaro if a taijutsu specialist got the crap beat out of him? ok, do you understand where i was going with it now?

Im glad that you ended your respones there... its not looking too good. "Its proven that dumb theory doesnt work , Stupid?" then you go say" thanks for proving my point. Neji's style of fighting is probably best fit for someone like Kimmaro"

which one is it?........

what do you mean which one is it? i never said neji could beat kimimaro. in fact, i think kimimaro could wipe the floor with him. just cuz i said neji's fighting style is best for kimimaro that doesn't mean neji himself can beat him. don't ignore what i wrote and say that i said some random crap.

Try to grasp what the argument is about... You said Naruto has "Zero Chance" and my argument is... where do you get that? and I gave you examples to counter that argument.. Do i think Naruto can beat Kimmaro..probably not... but Zero Chance is your opnion and not a fact.. and you try to inforce it as a fact when you go insult ppl "that is possibly the most incorrect statement ever made on this forum. naruto had zero chance against kimimaro and even gaara AND rock lee would've lost if it weren't for kimimaro's illness."

for the zero chance thing. let me clear this up. i explained what i meant by zero chance earlier in one of the posts. don't reply back until you've figured out what i meant.

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Mutata: paper, rock, scissors theory DOES work. Where was it proven that it doesnt work?

i remember a thread from a while ago where we were matching people up for fights. it works sometimes but not always. i don't think a 'theory' should be claimed as a real theory until it can be applied to all scenarios, fabricated or not.

[Uchiha Barles]

I've gotta agree with mut@t@ on the naruto beating kimimaro thing. First thing that bothers me about your argument as to why naruto would stand a fair chance against him, is that you said naruto beat kabuto. I didn't see the anime, but in the manga, naruto did NOT beat kabuto. He was saved on several occasions in that fight, and finally, got a move off. Mind you, Kabuto had to deal with Tsunade as well. In a one on one fight, Naruto would last all of 15 seconds against Kabuto, and that's only if kabuto were blind folded with both hand tied behind his back and getting a hand job from tsunade (perhaps a slight exaggeration...)

To figure out why Naruto can't take kimimaro (let it be clear this is my opinion, I generally don't feel the need to state that, but I'll do it here...) you just need to take a look at the fight. Like Mut@t@ pretty much said, Naruto is simply not equipped to beat him with his current skill level and the techniques he knows. Every technique naruto knows involves physical attacks (which kimimaro scoffs at). The only technique that Naruto knows that can harm (and I do believe even kill) kimimaro is the rasengan, but that fight they had shows that he'll likely never connect, or won't have the time to come up with a plan to make it connect, because kimimaro is so vastly superior that the fight shouldn't take long enough for that to happen.

Neiji beating kimimaro? maybe. I can't say, but he certainly is better equipped to fight him, as both you and Mut@t@ pointed out.