hmm... i dun tink it goes down to fair/unfair... its thier personal abilities afterall...
hmm... i dun tink it goes down to fair/unfair... its thier personal abilities afterall...
lol its not really unfair at all i meen if naruto fought a sannin village leader or jounin and probably some of the better chunnin he would get destroyed flat out.... all it really does is set him on par with ppl like neji and sasuke and such.... besides "alls fair in love and war" or "a general who refuses to use an advantage in battle deserves neither the advantage or the victory" i think both of those would fit for a ninja and besides think of what a ninja does : assasinate people now is that really fair???? just hinding up in a tree and and throwing a knife in their throat or well body in general as they cruise buy.... meh as far as im concerned if your in a fight anything goes including uber chakra
wow please umm ignore the horrible spelling in the above paragraph its really bad
It's not unfair, he just got owned.
who is more of an "unfair" character now, sasuke or naruto?
I think a couple of people have gotten some things off.
First off,
Naruto summoned gamabunta in the fight against Gaara with his OWN chakra, being determined to save Sakura, not that of the kyubi's. If he use's the kyubi's chakra it's colored red, second he always asks first, which he didn't before doing that summon since he was determined enough to burst out his own chakra. Attention to little details helps, this shows improvement in Naruto's character in that certain things he can do now don't require help from the monster inside him, and he did all this on the same day as the fight with Neji. Now the last part once he ran out of his OWN chakra then he asked for some help from the kyubi and next thing you know he's bursting with red colored chakra.
Second,
Naruto, if you haven't picked up on it, has some natural inherited abilities, look for a pattern.
1.Look at the picture of the 4th Hokage
2.Look at a picture of every single Naruto character with a parent, and look at their parent, you'll notice something.
3.Go back to the series or manga right before Jiraiya pushes Naruto off the cliff, he apologizes to the fourth before he almost kills Naruto, why does he do this? What does the fourth care if its just some random newborn baby?
4.What would give the 4th the right to take some random new born baby and seal a monster inside it, he must have had some sort of relationship to the kid to deem him able to make that decision. I doubt he grabbed some orphan who was newly born, since no parent would willingly give their kid away to have some monster sealed inside without an understanding of the technique, and then what happened to his parents? Why not tell Naruto who his parents were unless there was some reason to protect him.
Naruto is a underdog(as the series consistant theme goes) because of his past, because he grew up alone, with no one to push him or teach him how to be focused or raise him properly to learn quickly. What shapes a character in this series always has something to do with past experiences, otherwise we wouldn't watch so many freaking flashbacks explaining why a character is the way he/she is. Naruto sucking as a ninja and slowness to learn aren't due to any lack of ability, genetically he has the ability to reach "great potential" and revealing why, may put him in danger. His trump card is his determination. The kyubi's regeneration abilities help him to heal up and keep training so he can train faster.
Naruto is a character with more to him then meets the eye. He seems stupid an slow, most of that is due to a lack of parents growing up to guide him I imagine he has an innate ability to store up and generate mass amounts of chakra for a normal person on top of the kyuubi chakra. Is this unfair? Is it any different
you see... you could be right only if it wasn't stated that the kyubi chakra has been mixing with naruto's for quite some time now.Originally posted by: surge
I think a couple of people have gotten some things off.
First off,
Naruto summoned gamabunta in the fight against Gaara with his OWN chakra, being determined to save Sakura, not that of the kyubi's. If he use's the kyubi's chakra it's colored red, second he always asks first, which he didn't before doing that summon since he was determined enough to burst out his own chakra. Attention to little details helps, this shows improvement in Naruto's character in that certain things he can do now don't require help from the monster inside him, and he did all this on the same day as the fight with Neji. Now the last part once he ran out of his OWN chakra then he asked for some help from the kyubi and next thing you know he's bursting with red colored chakra.
Second,
Naruto, if you haven't picked up on it, has some natural inherited abilities, look for a pattern.
1.Look at the picture of the 4th Hokage
2.Look at a picture of every single Naruto character with a parent, and look at their parent, you'll notice something.
3.Go back to the series or manga right before Jiraiya pushes Naruto off the cliff, he apologizes to the fourth before he almost kills Naruto, why does he do this? What does the fourth care if its just some random newborn baby?
4.What would give the 4th the right to take some random new born baby and seal a monster inside it, he must have had some sort of relationship to the kid to deem him able to make that decision. I doubt he grabbed some orphan who was newly born, since no parent would willingly give their kid away to have some monster sealed inside without an understanding of the technique, and then what happened to his parents? Why not tell Naruto who his parents were unless there was some reason to protect him.
Naruto is a underdog(as the series consistant theme goes) because of his past, because he grew up alone, with no one to push him or teach him how to be focused or raise him properly to learn quickly. What shapes a character in this series always has something to do with past experiences, otherwise we wouldn't watch so many freaking flashbacks explaining why a character is the way he/she is. Naruto sucking as a ninja and slowness to learn aren't due to any lack of ability, genetically he has the ability to reach "great potential" and revealing why, may put him in danger. His trump card is his determination. The kyubi's regeneration abilities help him to heal up and keep training so he can train faster.
Naruto is a character with more to him then meets the eye. He seems stupid an slow, most of that is due to a lack of parents growing up to guide him I imagine he has an innate ability to store up and generate mass amounts of chakra for a normal person on top of the kyuubi chakra. Is this unfair? Is it any different
most, if not all, of naruto's achievements without 'using' the kyubi (the ones we could tell for sure like kiba fight) is all crap. no matter what naruto does, kyubi is involved in one way or another.
Has the Kyuubi been unfair so far? Yes, yes it has. Just like any other main character of a shonen series, the main character always has a hidden trump card. So does the villian, actually. I recall with the Kenshin example... Shishio was far from defeated when Kenshin hit him with Stage two Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki. He still stood up, and even landed a blow. What killed him was not Kenshin's blade, but his unwillingness to stop the fight before his timelimit was up. I always thought that was a rather silly ending, but I still loved it.
Anyway, however, there's one thing about the Kyuubi that interests me. How much control does Naruto have over the Kyuubi, anyway? Thus far, it's only given Naruto power when he seriously asked for it (expect for the fight with Haku, where it was more of a burst of rage than anything.) This implies to me that Naruto has some control over it. However, when he's not using it, I'm certain the Kyuubi is plotting in the back of Naruto's mind, trying to figure a way out. After all, he's been sealed in that weaklings body for 13 years. You'd think he'd want out.
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In the recent chapters of the manga, I believe it has been revealed that Kyuubi has figured a way out. He can only do it when Naruto, and Naruto still limits to some extent the power that he takes. However, the amount of power he's drawn has substantially increased. In his last major powerup, the Kyuubi had a huge, maniacal grin. He knows how to get out; just wait until Naruto needs the right amount of power... the right amount of power for him to effectively get out and break lose, and without anyone with the 4th's skill around this time, he will be free to rampage.
I do not think of this as a possibility. I believe that before the manga is done, Naruto will have to face the very power he's helped release so much of.
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you dont have to worry about spoilers here, Eternia. Only in the Naruto Anime forum
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Ahh, wasn't so sure about that. Still, I thought it would at least be considerate to label spoilers as such, considering the consequences of the slightest mention of the manga in the anime section. ^_^;;;
I kind of feel bad for naruto for been nothing without the kyubi inside him
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if naruto never had kyubi sealed inside him, then he would never have lived a lonely past, and wouldve been content as a generic ninja. The kyubi is indirectly the reason why he cares so much about being an outstanding ninjaOriginally posted by: Deblas
I kind of feel bad for naruto for been nothing without the kyubi inside him
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I guess your right. Thats what I like about him he's not a quitterOriginally posted by: AssertnFailure
if naruto never had kyubi sealed inside him, then he would never have lived a lonely past, and wouldve been content as a generic ninja. The kyubi is indirectly the reason why he cares so much about being an outstanding ninjaOriginally posted by: Deblas
I kind of feel bad for naruto for been nothing without the kyubi inside him
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the 4th was a great hokage and ninja and all. yes, he was strong, but not strong enough to contend with kyubi at all. he doesn't defeat it with his own strength, he just summoned gama bunta and sealed him. And when Jiraiya says, "i'm sorry 4th". what i believe this to mean is that, since kyubi is such a powerful being, that sealing such an entity wouldn't fit in one life time of a person. so i believe, that the 4th died and was reborn as Naruto with the kyubi still sealed in him.
first off shishio was male,
Let me try to deal with the 4th and naruto. The child was choosen we do not know and the mangaka has said once in jump manga that naruto past will remain a mystery because it gives many people to think. So analysis whether he is or isn't is a waste of time.
now for the cheapness of the kyuubi.
the kyuubi has no flaws comparing it to a bloodline limit is unfair all limits have their weaknesses. You can't name one that doesn't have a flaw of some type. Kyuubi healing ability is crazy now that naruto can heal the holes the sizes of baseballs instantly. Kyuubi is unstoppable if he allowed to take complete control
Wait, So you're saying that Naruto would be a redshirt?
if kyubi was sealed up inside some other ninja instead of naruto, then yes, naruto would be a redshirt [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Hollow
Wait, So you're saying that Naruto would be a redshirt?
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Yay! Somebody got it.
And isn't giving the Kyuubi complete control a flaw? It'd be kyuubi sealing night all over again, only this time, no sealing.
no. I think it would be impossible. kyubi is sealed inside naruto so he can't do anything about it but naruto can cause he has the power of using the kuybi chakra
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