NARUTO: unfair anime character or not?

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
The true rasengan is much more destructive.

Where'd that tidbit come from?

[Aramis]

Jira at some point mentioned that there's seven stages towards it's mastery.
naruto learned the 3 basic ones needed to use it (rotation, maintenance, and power)
it's hard to imagine what the last 4 would be. probably something that will let you do it with less effort, like Jira does it one-handed just like that. then probably something that will help you hit the target. it seems to be very easy to dodge, its not like the chidori where you just put it in your hand and run around with it, it needs concentration. and the last two would just add to the destruction, like expanding the sphere or using it as a projectile.

[Eurasian]

naruto has been a loser all his life. it's about time he starts winning. and like everyone stated before, those ppl born w/ the bloodlimit is just like naruto being born w/ the kyubi inside of him. it just happened that naruto was the lucky baby chosen.

[N-Gage]

Originally posted by: Eurasian
naruto has been a loser all his life. it's about time he starts winning. and like everyone stated before, those ppl born w/ the bloodlimit is just like naruto being born w/ the kyubi inside of him. it just happened that naruto was the lucky baby chosen.

lucky, but had to go through that isolation ordeal :S

[Eurasian]

what i meant lucky was that he's "lucky" to have gotten such power. ok maybe lucky isn't the right word but u get what i mean. i mean power not life. because any other baby could have been chosen but naruto was that baby. chance is what i mean.

[Kolat]

Something to consider when measuring Naruto's power:

1) Kyuubi hates Naruto. He wants nothing more than Naruto to suffer like he is suffering, being imprisoned inside a mere human's body. The only reason he ever lends Naruto his power is when Naruto is in a life threatening situation, because as was stated in the series, if Naruto dies then Kyuubi dies. Kyuubi only cares about self preservation, and in the long run escaping imprisonment OR finding a way to take over Naruto's body and claim it as his own.

2) In most cases, Naruto's ability to mold chakra is pathetic. He is constantly wasting chakra attempting to force jutsus that his teamates, Sasuke and Sakura, could perform with a mere fraction of that chakra. While Kyuubi's huge chakra makes Naruto potentially possess Sannin lvl power, he can barely control his own chakra, let alone Kyuubi's. Because of this, he can only use it in the most primitive ways, forcing it to his limbs to boost his strength, speed, and resilence, while most of it bleeds out in a form of visible chakra.

3) In order to maximize his tap into Kyuubi's power, Naruto basically has to lose control of himself to Kyuubi's beastial urges. I wouldn't be surprised if after his latest transformation, a later story arc deals with a conflict between Naruto and Kyuubi over control of Naruto's body and soul. Kakashi and the others do not freak out and begin trying to subdue Naruto when Kyuubi's power begins to spill forth for nothing.

Naruto possesses potential to be the strongest character in the series, with his dedication to training and his attitude towards life. He also has a huge amount of power that he is barely beginning to learn how to control in the form of Kyuubi's chakra. Imagine if someone on the lskill evel of a Sannin possessed the sealed Kyuubi, that person would be able to single handedly destroy entire villages. Which is precisely why Akamutsi(sp?) wants Naruto and the sealed Kyuubi for themselves.

But as it stands now, there is a huge amount of characters in the series that could wipe the floor with Naruto, Kyuubi or not. So no, I don't believe Naruto is overpowered at all, in fact I believe his is one of the weaker characters in the series as he is now. But that is a huge part of the suspense in Naruto, there are many characters stronger than Naruto and his friends, so theres no feeling that Naruto is going to just whoop whoever shows up and use their bones for toothpicks. Every encounter is filled with a sense of danger, to Naruto and his companions.

[Hotsuma]

Kyuubi = Ghey

People who make excuses "Well, it's a part of him! There's a reason why...!" = shut the fuck up.

I like Naruto as a character, but I know for a fact that the thought of him losing, or remotely coming close to death is never EVER going to happen as long as the Kyuubi is stuck inside of em. As of now, the Kyuubi inside has infinite potential, whether it increases Naruto's speeds, raises his powers, gives him MORE chakra, and of course healing him. All of these pretty make Naruto's battle stats rocket sky high. Basically, no matter what happens, Naruto will ALWAYS have some lame shit hidden up his ass to save him from a loss. Always. That's one of the things I dislike about him. And with the recent crazy healing, it just makes me believe that much more that Naruto is SO in the "main character" category. He's always going to have some uncool way of winning.

As Kazh said... It basically is the HMR ougi. It never loses. It'll always have some crazy advantage over anybody unlucky enough to get hit with it. When Shishio blocked it, the second step came in and hit him harder, When Enishi dodged both of those, there was yet ANOTHER step in the ougi. He beat the guy on the horse (anime) with a new form, too. It never stops. At one point, Yahiko even yells at him "Kenshin, just use your ougi and get it over with already!" If you can beat one style, just switch over to another... and another. No different from Kyuubi. Naruto about to die? Revive him. Low on energy? Replenish him. Too slow? Speed em up. Never stopping.

Lame shit. Naruto is cool, but the Kyuubi is not. Byakugan, Sharingan... Do they heal Naruto, and have a thousand different uses? No. So stop trying to compare one to another. One takes away from the user. The other just keeps giving and giving. I can't believe people are still putting it in the same league as the eyes.

Originally posted by: Aramis
Jira at some point mentioned that there's seven stages towards it's mastery.
naruto learned the 3 basic ones needed to use it (rotation, maintenance, and power)
it's hard to imagine what the last 4 would be. probably something that will let you do it with less effort, like Jira does it one-handed just like that. then probably something that will help you hit the target. it seems to be very easy to dodge, its not like the chidori where you just put it in your hand and run around with it, it needs concentration. and the last two would just add to the destruction, like expanding the sphere or using it as a projectile.

Find me where it says there's 7 stages.

Jiraiya could do it well, because he obviously has a lot more experience with it, and control over his chakra. That doesn't mean there's more levels to the jutsu.