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[uhicha neji]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure

Originally posted by: uhicha neji
Naruto beat Kiba without doing basically anything...

ok you've proven yourself in more ways than one that you need to watch the series again [img][/img]

and hinata = smart wtf?
just cause she's a girl i bet, right?

i feel like im talking to a wall here -_-

Naruto didn't use anyyyy techniques (even though he didn't know any really) he just fought full out and still came out ontop, and at that point in the series he wasn't strong. He didn't even use the Kyuubi's chakra (Oro closed it) This proves how week Kiba is :\

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Originally posted by: Aeon
Each team has a top fighter(Sasuke, Shino, Chouji), smart person (Sakura, Hinata, Ino) and slacker(Naruto, Shikamaru, Kiba). I dunno if Ino is the brains of the team or if she is the fighter since she was the top female student. And pffft to ever said Sasuke was stronger then Neji.

Oh I'm sorry. Did I insult your precious Neji? Well maybe if you were watching the same show as me we could agree. I hate Sasuke so i'm not saying any of this because I like him but Sasuke is better than Neji, not by much but he is. 1) He has Sharingan, providing him insight and he can slow movements down so that he can react better. 2) His speed is equal to Lee's which is WAY faster than Neji's speed. I'm not sure if its with Lee's his weights on or off but I think with them off. 3) His ninjutsu skills are the best of all the 12 popular konoha gennins. 4) His intelegence is either higher or somewhat close to neji's. 5) His Taijutsu is one of the best with Lee being 1st Neji being 2nd and Sasuke being 3rd. 6) Chidori....do I even have to comment on that?

Next time give me a reason if you are going to disagree or else you just look like a pathetic fanboy.

Once again Sasuke is far my fav character so I'm deff no fanboy of his.

[Munsu]

Probably what he meant is at the time the team was formed based on the scores...


When the group was chosen, Shikamaru was not considered to be the brain... it is something that the team started to notice once the missions started...

But I really think they just had a hat with all the names in it, and they just drew the team members

[Shinji Ikari]

Let's just say the teachers sucked at realizing the true abilities of all of their students and made many wrong calls.

[Assertn]

yeah, the part about naruto having more chakra than anyone else is the result of the merging, but i dont think his problem against kiba was how much chakra he had

[Shinji Ikari]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yeah, the part about naruto having more chakra than anyone else is the result of the merging, but i dont think his problem against kiba was how much chakra he had

No, not how much chakra, but the control of it must have had a large part of how he fought since it was awefull. What about him not being able to control the red chakra before meeting Jiraya? Everyone knows that, what's your point? What i said was that Naruto couldn't even control his own chakra after Orochimaru put the seal on him. This is confirmed by Jiraya after he takes away the seal.

Now, if Naruto's chakra would have been well balanced at that time, he would have kicked Kiba's as even more. He wouldn't have needed the Kyubi chakra at all in that fight because Kiba is just too weak.

Edit: Sure Kabuto did underestimate him the whole time, even Kiba did that (or rather he overestimated his own strenght), but Haku and Gaara, no way...

Sure Gaara did underestimate him at first, but right after than first hit, he was scarred like a little baby. Otherwise I don't see no meening in him saying all those things about him refusing to die or him saying with doubt that he has to be stronger than Naruto.

Haku did not underestimate Naruto because he never got the chance. He overestimated his own jutsu thus he thought that both Naruto and Sasuke were unable to beat him. But he never underestimated Naruto.

[uhicha neji]

Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yeah, the part about naruto having more chakra than anyone else is the result of the merging, but i dont think his problem against kiba was how much chakra he had

No, not how much chakra, but the control of it must have had a large part of how he fought since it was awefull. What about him not being able to control the red chakra before meeting Jiraya? Everyone knows that, what's your point? What i said was that Naruto couldn't even control his own chakra after Orochimaru put the seal on him. This is confirmed by Jiraya after he takes away the seal.

Now, if Naruto's chakra would have been well balanced at that time, he would have kicked Kiba's as even more. He wouldn't have needed the Kyubi chakra at all in that fight because Kiba is just too weak.

Edit: Sure Kabuto did underestimate him the whole time, even Kiba did that (or rather he overestimated his own strenght), but Haku and Gaara, no way...

Sure Gaara did underestimate him at first, but right after than first hit, he was scarred like a little baby. Otherwise I don't see no meening in him saying all those things about him refusing to die or him saying with doubt that he has to be stronger than Naruto.

Haku did not underestimate Naruto because he never got the chance. He overestimated his own jutsu thus he thought that both Naruto and Sasuke were unable to beat him. But he never underestimated Naruto.

Check and mate.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: uhicha neji

Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yeah, the part about naruto having more chakra than anyone else is the result of the merging, but i dont think his problem against kiba was how much chakra he had

No, not how much chakra, but the control of it must have had a large part of how he fought since it was awefull. What about him not being able to control the red chakra before meeting Jiraya? Everyone knows that, what's your point? What i said was that Naruto couldn't even control his own chakra after Orochimaru put the seal on him. This is confirmed by Jiraya after he takes away the seal.

Now, if Naruto's chakra would have been well balanced at that time, he would have kicked Kiba's as even more. He wouldn't have needed the Kyubi chakra at all in that fight because Kiba is just too weak.

Edit: Sure Kabuto did underestimate him the whole time, even Kiba did that (or rather he overestimated his own strenght), but Haku and Gaara, no way...

Sure Gaara did underestimate him at first, but right after than first hit, he was scarred like a little baby. Otherwise I don't see no meening in him saying all those things about him refusing to die or him saying with doubt that he has to be stronger than Naruto.

Haku did not underestimate Naruto because he never got the chance. He overestimated his own jutsu thus he thought that both Naruto and Sasuke were unable to beat him. But he never underestimated Naruto.

Check and mate.

if only you knew what you were talking about uchiha neji
werent you supposed to be watching the series over again? dont tell me you went through them all already.

ikari: no you're wrong, it wouldnt have made a difference.
while having chakra control is important for walking on water, tell me how it was important against kiba.
the entire idea behind that fight was that kiba was simply too fast for naruto to compete with. Would having control of his chakra make naruto faster? highly unlikely. Unless he started busting out the red chakra, which was the REASON for me bringing that up. Since he didnt know how to control that, then i cant see how the seal made a difference in that particular match.

and yes, haku underestimated naruto. why do i say that? because if he hadnt, then he wouldnt have taken his sweet time with his ice mirrors trick. He toyed with naruto...not because he was arrogant, but because he sorta pitied the guy, and didnt want to go all out.

and by the time gaara stopped underestimating naruto, naruto had already started going AWOL with chakra.....so it was too late

any other points i missed to counter? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[wirm]

I think in a fight, Hinata would easily beat Sakura. Sakura hasn't shown any skills in fighting at all. No need to get into details.



I'd like to throw my 2 cents in about some of the points brought up so far.


1) Hinata doesn't hit people's tenketsus. Neji does that. Hinata can see them, but it takes a very skilled fighter to actually hit them in a fight. Hinata uses the gentle-fist technique to hit the chakra circulatory system and internal organs. It doesn't matter where she hits, it will still cause a lot of damage. Hitting tenketsus seems to be a humiliation technique that Neji was showing off with. Why seal up a person's chakra when you can just kill them?

2) Sharingan doesn't slow down movement. It predicts the movement ahead of time, so that there is more time to react. This is just my opinion from what I've heard in the anime. So I'm not 100% sure.

3) Rock Lee doesn't have the strongest taijutsu. Neji does. In fact it was brought up multiple times that Lee's taijutsu is extremely low-level. It's only his speed and strength (from all his training) that makes him so good.

4) I would love to see Kaiten vs Chidori. I know that chidori should cut through just about anything, but Kaiten is designed to parry any attack (not block). So the full force of impact would be directed to the side. If I had to guess, I'd say Kaiten would win. Still, it'd be cool [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[uhicha neji]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure

Originally posted by: uhicha neji

Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
yeah, the part about naruto having more chakra than anyone else is the result of the merging, but i dont think his problem against kiba was how much chakra he had

No, not how much chakra, but the control of it must have had a large part of how he fought since it was awefull. What about him not being able to control the red chakra before meeting Jiraya? Everyone knows that, what's your point? What i said was that Naruto couldn't even control his own chakra after Orochimaru put the seal on him. This is confirmed by Jiraya after he takes away the seal.

Now, if Naruto's chakra would have been well balanced at that time, he would have kicked Kiba's as even more. He wouldn't have needed the Kyubi chakra at all in that fight because Kiba is just too weak.

Edit: Sure Kabuto did underestimate him the whole time, even Kiba did that (or rather he overestimated his own strenght), but Haku and Gaara, no way...

Sure Gaara did underestimate him at first, but right after than first hit, he was scarred like a little baby. Otherwise I don't see no meening in him saying all those things about him refusing to die or him saying with doubt that he has to be stronger than Naruto.

Haku did not underestimate Naruto because he never got the chance. He overestimated his own jutsu thus he thought that both Naruto and Sasuke were unable to beat him. But he never underestimated Naruto.

Check and mate.

if only you knew what you were talking about uchiha neji
werent you supposed to be watching the series over again? dont tell me you went through them all already.

ikari: no you're wrong, it wouldnt have made a difference.
while having chakra control is important for walking on water, tell me how it was important against kiba.
the entire idea behind that fight was that kiba was simply too fast for naruto to compete with. Would having control of his chakra make naruto faster? highly unlikely. Unless he started busting out the red chakra, which was the REASON for me bringing that up. Since he didnt know how to control that, then i cant see how the seal made a difference in that particular match.

and yes, haku underestimated naruto. why do i say that? because if he hadnt, then he wouldnt have taken his sweet time with his ice mirrors trick. He toyed with naruto...not because he was arrogant, but because he sorta pitied the guy, and didnt want to go all out.

and by the time gaara stopped underestimating naruto, naruto had already started going AWOL with chakra.....so it was too late

any other points i missed to counter? [img][/img]

I'm not evening going to bother argue, your to stubborn to argue with, but ikari was right. Sorry I don't study Naruto like you do.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Shinji Ikari
Now, if Naruto's chakra would have been well balanced at that time, he would have kicked Kiba's as even more. He wouldn't have needed the Kyubi chakra at all in that fight because Kiba is just too weak.

kiba is not weak. and naruto did not kick anyone's ass. kiba only lost because naruto farted in his face and the fight was pretty much won through luck. granted, naruto outsmarted kiba in some parts of the fight, but those cases were too insignificant and not damaging enough to put a hurt on kiba. kiba was way faster and stronger than naruto.

Haku did not underestimate Naruto because he never got the chance. He overestimated his own jutsu thus he thought that both Naruto and Sasuke were unable to beat him. But he never underestimated Naruto.

haku underestimated naruto. that's why haku was playing with naruto and sasuke's stupid ass the whole time. if haku had known about naruto's kyubi powers, haku would've finished him off a long time ago. in most, if not all, of naruto's fights, he is underestimated and the opponent loses because of naruto's element of surprise: kyubi chakra. look at orochimaru when he fought naruto in the forest of death, completely beat the hell out of naruto cuz he knows what the kyubi chakra capable of.

[Sanjuro]

YEAH! Thanks Mut@t@ for defending Kiba like that! And I agree with the point on people underestimating the Kyuubi chakra....Look at the fight with Neji

[Shi_No_Shikaku]

thay were based on scores of the acadamy or how ever it spell it....

[tuggumkee]

The teams were based off of the scores of the academy and probably personality. For those who said the Gai team couldn't be counted, it can be. Neji was #1, and Lee was last, tenten probably in the middle.
I'm not just bashing Lee, but if u look back to the time when he just started he sucked it big time.

Teams were pretty balanced coming out of the academy. Kiba was said to be as bad as naruto(narrirated by naruto during the beginning of chunnin exam), shika is the same.

There obviously was more taken into consideration when they made the groups i.e. Ino-shika-choji team, but they were all balanced

[Munsu]

The reason that it couldnt be counted is because it doesnt matter how good Neji was and how bad Lee was... or how average Tenten was... all their scores are irrelevant for the arragement of the new groups for the sole reason that they were upperclassmen... they do not factor into the decision of the group formations...

If you are using Neji's group as an example of how the groups are formed hystorically, then I agree with you

[chambers]

i love the war in kiba's group he barks stuff like hes theleader but everyone really knows its shino that wears the pants, that guy is weird and i reckon he could probly beat most of the other genins, there are just too many possabilities for him to get his bugs on them!

[Rek]

except naruto. (seriously) the chakra bugs could eat his fucking face off and he'd still be coming. Remember Neji's chakra seal? Just like that.

[TwisT]

Originally posted by: Sanjuro
You know back when they said all of the groups were specially selected for balance, back when they first became Genin? Was this really true? Think about it: I know in theory Naruto's party was balanced (Naruto=worst Sakura=mediocre sasuke=#1) but what about the Ino-Shika-Chou group? they seem pretty weak (yes i know Shikamaru is cool, but still) while the Hinata-Kiba-Shino groups seems unusuallky strong (they were like the 2nd ppl to finish the forest of death right?) Just wondering what you guys thought.

OH yeah and doesnt Rock Lee's group seem ridiculously strong (before the...incident I mean)

Well they had a whole year of practise.. And if you remember correctly Kabuto said that Rock Lee sucked ass but had improved extremly in taijutsu the last year.. So when the graduated Neji was nr.1 rookie, TenTen was avarage and Rock Lee was like Naruto and was the worst student..

But like Naruto-team Rock Lee trained hard and became one of the strongest..

So like Naruto-team they have there class 2 best guys and a avarage woman in there team (even if sakura turned out to be there class worst student unlike TenTen that could actually do something)


Oh and for Kiba-team.. From the flashback when Naruto tried to learn Rasengan we saw that Kiba was not a bright kid.. Always pulling pranks like Naruto..


But what i dont get is the Ino-Shika-Choji team.. Shika was really bad in school.. It was not untill they have got Asuma as there trainer and he did that IQ-test that they new that he was super-smart.. So he must have been in the bottom of the class with Kiba and Naruto.. So is was Choji that great in school?? Because i see Ino as an avarage like Sakura.. So Choji must have been the one that was expected to be the strongest in there team..

And forgive my english.. I have no time to look over my spelling today..

[Knives122]

The Sharingan really doesnt copy anything(pure theory(I know im gonna get bashed for this but I dont care)) it more or less just makes a little video in the persons brain that they can rewind fastforward and pause to analyze what the person does, then the S. user just mimics it, thats all it does IMO, Sasuke just mimiced what lee did(with his own twist) he didnt copy anything

[PossiblE]

Sasuke was copying the guys movements during the written test.