Sharingan inconsistancy

[Assertn]

kakashi doesnt suggest the hand seals, he suggests how zabuza should attack, or in other words, suggested him to perform a ninjutsu for kakashi to copy

[jing]

Yeah
Kakashi saw what jutsu he was doing, and he beat him to using the jutsu. like the water dragon. zabuza started the jutsu first, but kakashi saw through it and did his own at a faster speed. kakashi the copy ninja with over 1000 jutsus, probably knew the jutsu already.

[injun]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
kakashi doesnt suggest the hand seals, he suggests how zabuza should attack, or in other words, suggested him to perform a ninjutsu for kakashi to copy

alright, i think you contradicted yourself, either that or you are agreeing with me. meaning that he can not predict the next hand signal but can direct his opponent to attack a certain way, giving the illusion of foresight.

[Elessar]

I think it is like a time-delay.

First of all, Kakashi can foresee and predict certain movements. With this, at one point he can see a seal that is about to be made. Now remember, sharingan has strong genjutsu abilities. So he now casts off an unknown genjutsu, to delay his opponent in realizing he made the seal. This delay gives Kakashi time to do it himself, giving the illusion that he is doing it simultaniously. That stage puts a lof of stress on the opponent, as he starts to realized he is being copied.
Then his genjutsu implants thoughts into the opponent giving more mental stress, he will get uncertain. The delay will allow Kakashi to make all seals in time and activate the jutsu simultaniously with his opponent, who now is really frightened. That is what occured with the water dragons. The opponents mind gets more and more unstable as the pressure increases, allowing Kakashi's shraingan genjutsu to take further advantage.
Now, upon the next jutsu, for example the water blast, Kakashi will start as before, but slowly increasing the time-delay. In reality, the opponent is doing all the seals, allowing Kakashi to copy them. The increasing time delay puts the stress on a new level, as now the opponent think Kakashi is doing the seals faster then himself and he is actually the one mimicking it. As his mind is unaware that he finished the preparations, he fails to activate the jutsu, giving Kakashi the chance to release the jutsu before his opponent.
That is what happened with the great water blast.

That kind of analysis takes a lot of flair out of the sharingan, but that is how I think the trick works. It's a mind fooling game.

The limiting factor therefor is not the development stage, but the users experience and ability to utilize it - although certain tricks may require a full-featured and evolved three-dot sharingan. But by merely possessing it, you can't automatically use it. Naruto possessed the nine-tails for a long time, without knowing how to use, let alone control it. Sasuke needs practice to do the same sharingan tricks Kakashi does, but he will learn them faster than Kakashi due to his Uchiha blood.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: injun

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
kakashi doesnt suggest the hand seals, he suggests how zabuza should attack, or in other words, suggested him to perform a ninjutsu for kakashi to copy

alright, i think you contradicted yourself, either that or you are agreeing with me. meaning that he can not predict the next hand signal but can direct his opponent to attack a certain way, giving the illusion of foresight.

no....suggesting what hand seals to perform and suggesting how to act and fight are different.
for example, kakashi mightve tricked zabuza into pulling off a move like the water dragon, without kakashi knowing the seals for the water dragon

because think about it, if kakashi copied 1000 jutsus, then that means he never knew how to perform them until after he tricks somebody to use the jutsu. If he always suggested what seals to make, then that would mean that he already knew all the jutsus he knows now before he ever encountered them.