shinn isnt a whiner if you hate shinn you wanted to kill kira in the begining of seed right? now he was a whiner. cried all the time and shit. what i miss in the newer gundam shows are how the superiors dont phycially(sp?) abuse their subordinates like they did in the older shows when they do something bad. like "hmm i think i gotta teach you something WITH MY FIST!!!" *SMACK* why not more of that? i mean mwu could have beaten kira up when he was crying about not being a pilot and shit.