Upcoming Events.... SEED Destiny Thoughts

[Barumonk]

Just a few things from my perspective. Before Shinn went SEED, Kira had the upperhand with what I consider to be his newtype abilities, not necessarily pure pilot skill. Part of spacial awareness is knowing exactly where something like a beam is located around you, and where its heading. It would allow Kira to do such a thing as blocking a beam with another beam, or deflecting a shot with his beam saber. After Kira went SEED, he completely 1up-ed Shinn. Shinn even said that if Kira used his chest cannon instead of the rail guns then the fight would already be over, Shinn would most likely be dead and Destiny would definatly not be standing there in one piece. After Shinn went SEED and pulled out the Wings of Light at the same time, he gained the upperhand and simply outclassed SFreedom in speed. I think if it weren't for Kira's skill, SEED, and a bit of newtype abilities, that he wouldn't have kept up at all since as was mentioned before, Shinn was flying all over the place much faster than Kira could comfortably handle.

Overall, if the fight had continued then the only place I could see it going is Kira's defeat or Kira using his newtype abilities more which, as far as the CE AU is concerned, would only put them on even ground.. atleast on Earth. This is void if SFreedom can use its DRAGOONs inside the atmosphere. I think in space, this whole speed issue will be settled since Kira's newtype abilities will allow him to know where Shinn is at all times and then he can just use SEED and the DRAGOONs to figure out where he is most likely to move and then counter by firing at each angle in an attempt to shut down Shinn's insane speed.

A few notes for potential arguments: The newtype ability isn't simply 'activated' such as SEED, its active all the time at various levels. The Shining Finger attack was probably deemed to be way too risky, considering Shinn had no other melee weapons and Kira still had his beam sabers. Even with Destiny's speed, closing in to point blank range on SFreedom/Kira wouldn't be easy, and if he missed or didn't do any heavy damage then he could probably just bend over and kiss his own ass goodbye. I imagine the outcome would be something similar to Saviour vs Freedom.

[NeoBear]

Originally posted by: Barumonk
After Shinn went SEED and pulled out the Wings of Light at the same time, he gained the upperhand and simply outclassed SFreedom in speed. I think if it weren't for Kira's skill, SEED, and a bit of newtype abilities, that he wouldn't have kept up at all since as was mentioned before, Shinn was flying all over the place much faster than Kira could comfortably handle.

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wut are you talking about why is everyone saying this he goes seed and all of a sudden is a threat to kira? he takes wut looks to me like 4 whole shots at kira two of wich miss two of wich are blocked, you understand at this piont he still STILL has not landed a singel hit on kira not even a slap, on the flip side kira dissarmed shinn and railed him at piont blank, kira is fucking god and Sf is one of the best all around gundams ever made as for him flying circles all around kira wtf ever. and most of all who cares he could have killed shinn we all know it and most of all SHINN knew it, Sf may not have the speed of Destiny and why should it if shinn cant hit kira why does it matter, at no piont in that fight does shinn ever get the upper hand he lost his sword he got his energy drianed almost died and finaly ran, and the whole time never lands one decent hit on kira, face it shinn was owned to have all that suposed power and not know how to use it ...sad

and to pour salt on the wound does shinn have a cool intro song like Vestige NO WTFPWNOMGLORL!!!!!!!!

[kyokyobaka]

About the whole Kira and Shinn speed thing:

Around 15 minutes into the episode, right before Rey calls Shinn back, Shinn is chasing Kira. However, Kira is clearly outrunning Shinn. Whether or not Shinn was using the "Wings of Light" thing, it does establish the fact that Destiny and S. Freedom have the same speed ablities.

Even then, when Shinn used his "Wings of Light" Kira was able to evade his first beam shot, and he blocked the second with his energy shield.

Weighting the evidence for everyone's agruments, it more likely that Destiny and S.Freedom are an even match....for the most part.

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

Originally posted by: Barumonk
After Shinn went SEED and pulled out the Wings of Light at the same time, he gained the upperhand and simply outclassed SFreedom in speed. I think if it weren't for Kira's skill, SEED, and a bit of newtype abilities, that he wouldn't have kept up at all since as was mentioned before, Shinn was flying all over the place much faster than Kira could comfortably handle.

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wut are you talking about why is everyone saying this he goes seed and all of a sudden is a threat to kira? he takes wut looks to me like 4 whole shots at kira two of wich miss two of wich are blocked, you understand at this piont he still STILL has not landed a singel hit on kira not even a slap, on the flip side kira dissarmed shinn and railed him at piont blank, kira is fucking god and Sf is one of the best all around gundams ever made as for him flying circles all around kira wtf ever. and most of all who cares he could have killed shinn we all know it and most of all SHINN knew it, Sf may not have the speed of Destiny and why should it if shinn cant hit kira why does it matter, at no piont in that fight does shinn ever get the upper hand he lost his sword he got his energy drianed almost died and finaly ran, and the whole time never lands one decent hit on kira, face it shinn was owned to have all that suposed power and not know how to use it ...sad

and to pour salt on the wound does shinn have a cool intro song like Vestige NO WTFPWNOMGLORL!!!!!!!!

I agree with you @neobear, If Kira wanted to kill Shinn, he wouldnt had lasted more than a minute.

Originally posted by: Barumonk
My point was that it appears that way due to Kira's personal abilities, rather than SFreedom's abilities. NeoBear, your also saying that SEED Kira could have killed no SEED Shinn and that it doesn't matter that they stood on near even ground for the rest of the fight because Kira 1uped Shinn when Shinn wasn't using SEED and Kira was. Well no shit, someone with SEED will be better, my point is that when Shinn uses SEED and the Wings of Light, he can keep Kira on his toes, which is more than he does against anyone else. Anyone wonder if Strike Freedom comes installed with a button so the suit just flies up, auto targets, and fires all its weapons? Anyway, I think im turning into a Shinn supporter. I actually hate Shinn and like Kira/SFreedom.

This does it too, KIRA has no aimbot, because an AIMBOT would kill the enemies, not destroy the arms, legs and head. That attack must work only if the pilot is skilled like Kira. Some kind of neuro connection thing, event if G.U.N.D.A.M's achronym has nothing to do with it.

But Thank God Shinn dindt get Freedom or SFreedom, otherwise Earth would be doomed, Kira may not kill a single enemy, but he does destroy a more than impresive amount of MS.

As i said b4, Shinn is a BEAST that can pilot a MS. Lets hope he gets some brains in the near future, he getting killed will work for me too.

Originally posted by: NeoBear

Originally posted by: Barumonk
My point was that it appears that way due to Kira's personal abilities, rather than SFreedom's abilities. NeoBear, your also saying that SEED Kira could have killed no SEED Shinn and that it doesn't matter that they stood on near even ground for the rest of the fight because Kira 1uped Shinn when Shinn wasn't using SEED and Kira was. Well no shit, someone with SEED will be better, my point is that when Shinn uses SEED and the Wings of Light, he can keep Kira on his toes, which is more than he does against anyone else. Anyone wonder if Strike Freedom comes installed with a button so the suit just flies up, auto targets, and fires all its weapons? Anyway, I think im turning into a Shinn supporter. I actually hate Shinn and like Kira/SFreedom.

seed newtype blah blah ect ect look here man even befor he went seed he was kicking shinns ass blew up his shoulder things hit him with the big ass doubel rifel shot then blocked Destinys armpit shot with Sfs chest shot the whole time hes never trying to kill shinn, shinn is good dont get me wrong but compairing him to kira is like compairing shit to water. anytime kira ants to stop with the tree hugger bullshit and decides its time to start killing mofos shinn, rey and anybody else who hapens to piss him off at that moment will be sucking it down

You lost me there.

BTW, in Phase 42, it looks like Rey wants to get rid of Lunamaria, to Shinn it looks like Rey is the only one supporting him and Lunamaria does nothing, thats why rey waited till Shinn was on his way to attack SFreedom again b4 telling Lunamaria to stay.

@Barumonk Shinn simply was overpowered thats a fact, Rey realized SFreedoms power the moment he saw counterattack Shinn Rail-Gun (i dont know if its called like that, the RED-Laser). SFreedom simply is a HANDICAPED-Killing-machine, you heard me, Shinn couldnt win against Kira even with a HANDICAP (Kira only can seriously attack legs, head and arms, thats one of the reasons why he could destroy Freedom SHINN KNEW where to protect himself).

[NeoBear]

yeah i was being a little silly there, but it should be easy too see that kira wont losse to shinn and its not cause of skill allthough i think he is more skilled then shinn its mostly because kira is the hero ultra cornated newtyped test tubed bad ass ect ect, he cant be beat straght up there will always be some bs reason he losses.

and yur totaly right about the whole kira handicap thing thats why im saying that if kira ever decides no more choping legs and arms and crap and decides to go ape shit on everyone it will be sick

[addict4speed]

yeah, i'd love to see him go all out for once. hopefully it'll happen in the last couple episodes. My guess is that someone close to kira will die(prolly Athrun), which'll cause Kira to completely lose it. Reverting back into the emotional state when fightin against Aegis in the original SEED, Kira will then be completely focused on killing the opponent before him. He'll probably single handedly take out both legend and destiny at the same time, as well as dullinal's final gundam( i think it's called fortune gundam or sumthin, not sure, read it somewhere in this topic) It is then that the potential of the ultimate coordinator is fully untapped and we gonna see one kickass ending. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

btw, hello everyone. newbie here. first time posting