Originally posted by: DDBen
The state Gaia can't fly or go underwater so whats it do turn into dog mode and run across it WTF was that.
Originally posted by: DDBen
As far as Gaia running on the reef bed yes at points thats perfectly believeable however considering that we had Abyss going in sub mode there is virtually no way there was a reef going all the way from the island to the battle. Do note Gaia is jumping along the rocks to orignally get to the bass to protect it the later point when she goes to help Neo however she is running on top of the water with nothing going under water.
Okay well when I saw that scene sure standing on rocks is obviously better than being in water. But even while getting to the last rock there was a splash. Point 5:20 of SEED-Fansub shows the scene. Just before the last rock you see the water splash up. 14:56 Gaia is watching the battle and Stellar gets concerned so she transforms and leaps landing what looks like on even thou the feet submerge just abit then quickly moving forward. 15:44 we see Gaia trying to reach Neo's Windam as Shinn is gunning for him. Alot more splash as she is farther from the shore now. Deeper water. Gaia leaps and collides with Impulse knocking it into even deeper water. Where they proced to get up and fight alil. This is all happening pretty close to the coast compared to where the Minerva is and the battle with Abyss. Just looking at the Minerva monitors at points you can see how far the island is.

Originally posted by: DDBen
However I'm getting ahead of myself we have Athrun(or however you spell it) being COMPLETELY outshined by Shinn in the impulse. It wasn't even close Athrun took out 1 while we have to watch Shinn take out 30 mechs.
My count for shown kills was more around Athrun -1, Shinn -10. That leaves 18 destroyed Windams unaccounted for. Surely some of those went to Athrun and the Minerva since Shinn had the most screen time. I'm sure a few of those random shots were kills as well thou for Shinn.

Originally posted by: DDBen
Not only that but considering Zaft build the Gaia, Abyss and Chaos wouldn't one think that they wouldn't suicide troops at that? Abyss is a transforming mech that becoms a sub and they would know the speed and limits yet there sending out mobile suits who have absolutely zero chance of hitting it with there munitions considering how slow they moved.
Yes lets just let the sub get destroyed by Abyss. Don't launch any countermeasures. The Goohns is all they had. There was a chance it might work. They had no idea how capable of a pilot the Abyss pilot was. In the end they still all died. But it was an acceptable risk for the safety of the sub. I also don't think every Zaft officer was privy to the technical specs of the Abyss. I think they were given the name and that the suit was stolen. But thats probably all the intel they got.

Originally posted by: DDBen
Now lets move on to the fact not a single Mobile suit went for the Minerva instead they all just buzzed around Shinn like completely useless untrained bugs were talking not even Neo was getting a hit in. Oh wait Athrun is still uselessly dodging in the air completely ignoring the battle he's in not trying to do anything but complain about Shinn.
At point 12:01 of the SEED-Fansub you can see Windams flying over the Minerva as AA guns are firing and Arthur orders launchers 1 and 2 to fire. If its heavily defending itself why sacrifice on it. Plus they gotta defend themselves from Athrun and Shinn. Sting said he was gonna take the new unit. Its kinda hard to focus on other enemies when you have multiple ones shooting at you. So you take on whatever unit you can. Thats basically all shinn did. Except his opponents were alot easier till he was fighting Neo. If Shinn can get better at piloting I don't see why Sting can't. And I think Athrun was taking out suits as well since Shinn only showed taking out 10.

Originally posted by: DDBen
Then finally we have Shinn randomly crashing through a halfbuilt base which just resulted in him killing a bunch of people who had zero chance of being any threat. Yes they shot some civilians and were made out to be bad guys but reguardless Shinn disobey's a direct order from a member of Faith and just gets slapped a couple of times... yeah thats realistic considering the intel about the battleplans for the attack could have been interogated from some prisoners but instead they settle for a slash and burn that amounts to absolutely nothing.
Randomly crashing through? He chased the Gaia towards the base. Then the base launched its own defense force with wasn't anything to really be worried about. After the slaves were murdered Shinn snapped. He was gonna get rid of the base one way or another. He definately was gonna let someone from ORB lecture him. Considering he did a good thing freeing the people it was still wrong. Correction is a fitting punishment. He will probably also be written up. But come on thats sorta boring to show on an anime. We may see more later in the next ep about a punishment. Who knows. We don't know what they settled for either...

Originally posted by: DDBen
Also due to the poor quality of the fight scene you could hardly tell who was blowing up. Given it was cannon fodder units but being they were suppose to be a new type of mobile suit one would imagine them to require more effort then killing a mosquito.
Some of those suits were well placed beam shots, others were multiple poorly aimed beam shots. Vulcans to the propulsion in the back caused a nice explosion. And you are right. We didn't really get to see the kills so we sorta don't know who did most of the shooting down of suits.

I can see what problems you may have had with the ep. But if you looked at things closer everything does sorta fit and work. But yea I wish Athrun was shown to be a better pilot cause he is. Also Abyss isn't superior to the other 3 suits. It was developed at about the same time and based of them. Atleast I think thats was the chairman said. Time to goto work. So ttyl. Hope this cleared ail up as well.