Episode 17 Discussion

[Curium]

Originally posted by: Lostprophet8
Dullindal is really good at looking like a nice guy and honest leader. He obviously has the crew of the Minervia fooled. Could this mean that the Minervia and Archangel will clash? Only time will tell.

Personally I think at least Talia is a little suspisious of Dullindal. Not so much that it bothers her, but enough that she will listen to counter points without pre-judging. There is no question in my mind that she considers him decietful or at least pulling some strings to get things acomplished "unofficially", though not aware of all of them.

Originally posted by: DDBen

As far as Dullindal goed do note he's made every effort to influence the people who made the biggest differnce in seed as much as possible and probably was behind the colloney drop attempt of Junius 7. Also he is the only person who would try and kill Lacus as he has the most to gain from it with his puppet of Meer who he's probably also using for favors the same way he's using Minerva's captain. I mean it wouldn't be a Gundam series if both sides arn't proven to be wrong so the main characters can in turn fight for themselves.

I haven't seen any evidence of this, but it wouldn't surprise me if Mia is pulling some strings as well pretending to be Lacus. She could have sent the team to assasinate the real Lacus, and once she is the undisputed "real" Lacus the team would have gotten some favors from her position for doing the dirty work. Again with no evidence I'm not ready to commit to that, but I thought I would put it out there for consideration (and if I'm right so I can say go look at this post and say "I told you so" ).[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[PSJ]

since dulinandal controls mia and got gaurds with her 24/7 i dont think thats possible. i think dulinandal is the bad guy here he got some stuff up his sleeve thats for sure.

[Aramis]

HEhe lots of important information in this episode as well as some utterly unsignificant details..minerva's announcer girl can't fit in luna's skirt.
Kingdom of Scandinavia? the world is very messed up in this anime.

[Lostprophet8]

Originally posted by: Aramis
HEhe lots of important information in this episode as well as some utterly unsignificant details..minerva's announcer girl can't fit in luna's skirt.
Kingdom of Scandinavia? the world is very messed up in this anime.

I don't think it is insignificant as much as it is charecter building for a minor charecter so we actually care when she dies.

[Shanekun]

Nah i don't REALLY think Dullindal is the bad one. Hes mor elike a... grey one... somthing like Zechs in Wing. maybe.

If he is.. oh well. wrong guess. I think hes just a VERY intelligent man, who knows how to manipulate the masses with the right tools. At the moment he is using the Lacus wannabe to lull the PLANT ppl into being more peaceful, gets the council to go the Selfdefending war without territorrial things way to look better to the news watcher and sends the Minerva on an errand tour to free People (which up to now are incidently all of darker colored skin) from the oppression of the EAF to get them some hero status (nothing like a Space flagship approaching a base and beow it hundreds of farmesr with their Forks and shovels ready to fight [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] )


But may god help them if he decides to use the masses for more... evil... purposes.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: Shanekun
Nah i don't REALLY think Dullindal is the bad one. Hes mor elike a... grey one... somthing like Zechs in Wing. maybe.

Acctually that reminds me of somthing. Most of the time in Gundam there is some kind of change at or near the top of the factions. Not always legally or peacefully. In the first Seed Lacus' peace minded father was was the supreme chairman in PLANT before the people decided to back Patrick Zala who took over. Other examples can be seen in other Gundams. In Wing, it started with the Earth Forces being at the forfront politically, then they were betrayed by Oz lead by Treize, then Treize was "fired" and Romefeller came to the forefront which lead to a revolt by Treize loyalists.

Thus, another theory I want to throw out, the person pulling the strings may be someone we haven't seen yet (or maybe was just in the background).

Along those same lines, the idiot that almost married Cagalli and his father may move up the ranks of the EAF leadership.

Also what ever happened to that guy who was pulling the strings of the EAF earlier in the series (ordering the nuclear attack and all)?

[Curium]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
since dulinandal controls mia and got gaurds with her 24/7 i dont think thats possible. i think dulinandal is the bad guy here he got some stuff up his sleeve thats for sure.

Personally I don't see that. The while she had guards with her, it doesn't mean they are with her when she is not in public, and also it has never been declared who the guards are loyal too. Are they really there because Dullindal ordered them or because they were hired by Mia?

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: Curium

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
since dulinandal controls mia and got gaurds with her 24/7 i dont think thats possible. i think dulinandal is the bad guy here he got some stuff up his sleeve thats for sure.

Personally I don't see that. The while she had guards with her, it doesn't mean they are with her when she is not in public, and also it has never been declared who the guards are loyal too. Are they really there because Dullindal ordered them or because they were hired by Mia?

since dulinandal practicly made mia he got soem say in things to, he cant just let her run around and do whatever she wants just because she looks like lacus. mia probably doesnt know where the real lacus is. and for the body guard thing, mia is a great influence on the troops of ZAFT do you really think dulinandal will let her walk around on her own?