The way we write

[Cyberdude93]

Originally posted by: KitKat
Cyberdude, what region of Scotland are you from? And why is your accent unique? From isolation or from outside influences? (This is assuming your accent is regional. If it's just you or your family that speaks that way, then that's different.) It still might be considered 'Scottish', but placed on the edge of the dialect continuum.

First, I'm from Edinburgh. Secondly, well I'm not sure really. Some of my family think that I watched too much American TV when I was young and hence developed one closer to that. You could call it isolation because I never really went out and socialised with many people. Personally I think it's different because it's very clear, for example I never use and am not used to using dialect specific words such as "dinnae" for "don't".

When I was in Scotland at times I didn't even understand strong Scottish accents, so that reduces the chance of me speaking in one too =P

Anyway I know that's a crap (or even biased) explaination, so apologies =P. I'll be happy to answer further.

[Terracosmo]

Wtf feminist? I tried to defend males you fucktards [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Souryusen]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Wtf feminist? I tried to defend males you fucktards [img][/img]

Whatever. I still worked you over good, ya dirty girl.

[Astronopolis]

lol cunning linguist cunnilingus

[Def_X]

Originally posted by: KitKat
complich8, you get the prize for worst pun at the forum [img][/img]

ChibiYali, it's fascinating, isn't it? Here's another interesting fact that all of you may be less familiar with...

In conversations between two men, or conversations between two women, interruptions are evenly distributed. That is, each person is responsible for about half of the interruptions in the conversation. However, in mixed gender conversations, when a man and a woman are talking, the man is responsible for more of the interruptions. And not just a little bit more either, but an average of 90% of the interruptions. Some sociolinguists explain this based on the typical differences in reasons why men and women engage in conversation (women primarily use conversation to build relationships whereas men use conversation to establish social status). They theorise that men use interruptions as a way of exercising power over female speakers and establishing dominance. Personally, I think that it's probably more likely due to the fact that women talk so much that men have to interrupt to get a word in edgewise. [img][/img]

As a Soc major I feel obligated to reply. I personally would say the men tend to want straightforward conversation instead of walking around a subject. As you said most women use language both verbal and body" to convey feeling. Men use physical gestures "fixing stuff, presents, and touching The interruptions may spawn for a need to ensure everyone involved understands the point. The man feels no need to elongate the conversation.

Back to the issue of literacy on the Internet and more specifically in this forum, I personally do check what I write in "Word" before I post. I also give it a quick read before I post. Is it too much? It might be but at least I can be sure what I post is what I wanted everyone to read. I'd be the first to say I have the worst English skills, but if you want to make it in this Country you need to know how to work on your weaknesses.
About a year ago when I was posting in like 10+ forums, talking in chat rooms, gaming, and stopped reading every night. I noticed the quality of my school reports was going down, and I was getting lower grades. Thats when I really noticed the bad grammar and spelling I would use online. Instead of stopping my use of the Internet I began to take my time and type clear phrases and use the best possible spelling. My grades began to rise again. I know it sounds cliché and lame but it really helped. While I do still make a lot of errors but grammatically and in spelling, the simple extra care I put into my typing has helped.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Souryusen

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Wtf feminist? I tried to defend males you fucktards

Whatever. I still worked you over good, ya dirty girl.

haha......good thing someone bumped this back up......i almost missed these little nuggets of quality posting [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Originally posted by: Astronopolis
lol cunning linguist cunnilingus

And the last horse crosses the finish line

[complich8]

Originally posted by: Def_X
About a year ago when I was posting in like 10+ forums, talking in chat rooms, gaming, and stopped reading every night. I noticed the quality of my school reports was going down, and I was getting lower grades. Thats when I really noticed the bad grammar and spelling I would use online. Instead of stopping my use of the Internet I began to take my time and type clear phrases and use the best possible spelling. My grades began to rise again. I know it sounds cliché and lame but it really helped. While I do still make a lot of errors but grammatically and in spelling, the simple extra care I put into my typing has helped.

that's what _I'm_ saying ...

or rather, what I've said in the past. All of these people who post terrible, TERRIBLE content with no flow, no spelling, in "look at me, I'm in the 7th grade now" mode don't realize how destructive it is to their own minds to let themselves live in that mode of operation.

If you want to become strong, you work out. If you want to become mentally strong, you think a lot. If you want to be passable at writing, you make an effort to write clearly and sensibly.

Back when I was screening editor and qc applicants for animeone (yikes .... it's already been almost 2 years since I dumped that drudge-work), I spent a lot of time talking with the people applying. As you'd expect, everyone believed they'd make a good editor or a reliable quality checker. And I'd say maybe one in thirty actually would. But what was interesting was that in five minutes of conversation with a person, I could almost always tell right away whether the person was going to pass or fail the test. Without even looking at it,

At first I wasn't sure there was a correlation. But there definitely is. People who were writing "u" instead of "you", missing simple stuff like apostrophes in contractions, and generally opting for low-return shortcuts over the extra two or three keystrokes per line it would take to take the "long road" would miss the same stuff in their tests, and generally give worse quality results. Conversely, people who were spelling words out, writing complete sentences, taking the long road in general and doing so consistently were giving much, much better tests back, usually in less time, with higher correct detection rates and much, MUCH fewer false detections.

Our thoughts are bound by our language. Dull, imprecise language is the expression of dull, imprecise thoughts. And if you fall into the habit of using either side of the coin, you'll end up getting the other side, whether you wanted it or not.

(Sort of rings of the eightfold path though ...)

[The Heretic Azazel]

but lol ppl rite taht way b/c they kan, not b/c tehy dont no how!

[Assertn]

aone gives out tests for QC? o.O

[complich8]

used to .... and I used to be one of the screeners for them.

They still use a test for basic qc skills. I am pretty sure they're using different tests than the ones I used to deal with though.

[hiddenpookie]

You shouldnt judge people by there typeing its dumb. i may mispell in the web like hell but in real life when i am writeing in print i never misspell. but the keyboard is gay imo lol.

i say f*** the way people type as long as u can undertsand it.

If i wanted to reminded or be taught how to type i would go to school.

But. the ultimate counter-attack for what i have stated above ^^^^^..

is....
-If your not going to spend your time writeing ur posts right why should i waist my fucking time reading them?-

Yay i owned myself.

anyway instead of flaming them correct them? if your not going to correct them but flame them. then F**** off.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Yeah, no one buys that bullshit, if you can't type with a little thought put into it then you shouldn't be allowed on a damn computer at all.

[Def_X]

Originally posted by: hiddenpookie
-If your not going to spend your time writeing ur posts right why should i waist my fucking time reading them?-

waist -
The part of the human trunk between the bottom of the rib cage and the pelvis.
The narrow part of the abdomen of an insect.

The part of a garment that encircles the waist of the body.
The upper part of a garment, extending from the shoulders to the waistline, especially the bodice of a woman's dress.
A blouse.
A child's undershirt.
The middle section or part of an object, especially when narrower than the rest.
Nautical. The middle part of the upper deck of a ship between the forecastle and the quarterdeck.


waste-
To use, consume, spend, or expend thoughtlessly or carelessly.
To cause to lose energy, strength, or vigor; exhaust, tire, or enfeeble: Disease wasted his body.
To fail to take advantage of or use for profit; lose: waste an opportunity.

To destroy completely.
Slang. To kill; murder.

v. intr.
To lose energy, strength, weight, or vigor; become weak or enfeebled: wasting away from an illness.
To pass without being put to use: Time is wasting.

n.
The act or an instance of wasting or the condition of being wasted: a waste of talent; gone to waste.
A place, region, or land that is uninhabited or uncultivated; a desert or wilderness.
A devastated or destroyed region, town, or building; a ruin.

An unusable or unwanted substance or material, such as a waste product.
Something, such as steam, that escapes without being used.
Garbage; trash.
The undigested residue of food eliminated from the body; excrement.

adj.
Regarded or discarded as worthless or useless: waste trimmings.
Used as a conveyance or container for refuse: a waste bin.
Excreted from the body: waste matter.

Idiom:
waste (one's) breath
To gain or accomplish nothing by speaking.

Sorry I had to use the open invite. ^_^
It's not that I want to flame anyone who makes a mistake on their post, it's just the time and effort to at least read over each post once would be greatly appreciated. Just make sure you can understand yourself before you post. Maybe if people spent that extra time most forum users wouldn't just skip to the last page and re-post something that has been said a million times already on a thread.

[complich8]

Originally posted by: hiddenpookie
You shouldn't judge people by their typing, it's dumb. I may misspell on the web like hell, but in real life when I am writing <snip, redundant> I never misspell anything. But the keyboard is gay, imo lol.

I say f*** the way people type, as long as you can undertsand it.

If i wanted to be reminded or <snip> taught how to type i would go to school.

But. the ultimate counter-attack for what i have stated above ^^^^^..

is....
-If you're not going to spend your time writing your posts right why should I waste my fucking time reading them?-

Yay, i owned myself.

anyway instead of flaming them, correct them. if you're not going to correct them but flame them. then F**** off.

I disagree, both with the concept that you shouldn't judge people by their writing style, and that you should take time correcting people. And I'll explain why.

First of all, like I already said, when you get into a certain mode, used to the same shortcuts, etc, you tend to continue using them. When you're writing, you don't painstakingly select every word. Many elements of language are automatic. Things like selection of prepositions, word arrangements, common words. When you're writing these things, you tend to write them the same way, no matter what the medium is. If you're a terrible writer, who has otherwise good mastery of spoken language, then what's stopping you from just writing the way you'd speak? This particularly applies to grammatical constructs.

If you're writing grammatically correct but horribly misspelled sentences, that's one thing. But if you're writing badly formed sentences (as opposed to badly spelled ones), it really IS a good indicator that you don't know how to compose well-formed ones.

Either way, it's particularly obvious that you don't want people who can't spell and can't compose clear and correct sentences to be editing the work of other people who can't spell or compose clear and correct sentences. It's like throwing fuel on a fire... it only makes things worse.

For your second point, that forum-goers should correct people when they screw up ... see how irritating it can be? I even omitted stylistic errors, just opting for basic spelling, grammar and punctuation.

It's a good way to completely derail a conversation. Particularly when there's a lot of people screwing up little things. The conversation can still go on, or it can go completely off-topic, as people who absolutely don't care about how they're butchering their own language continue to do so, and people who're obsessed with correcting them do so. What's the point? I'd rather see someone belch a quick flame and get back on topic than see that sort of endless, irritating digression, you know?

[Jessper]

On the same point complich was running on: When you mix up words that sound similar (ex. waist, waste, to, too, ect.) there is little chance it was simply because it is an internet forum. So it is possible to establish an idea of the abilities a person has based on their messages on a forum.

[Mut]

Guys... stop not using capitals and stop using stupid internet substitutions for words. It's really fucking annoying to see a whole paragraph or even a small sentence written without any capitalization. On top of that, a lot of you are using substitutions for "you", "why", "to", and etc.

FUCKING STOP.

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Guys... stop not using capitals and stop using stupid internet substitutions for words. It's really fucking annoying to see a whole paragraph or even a small sentence written without any capitalization. On top of that, a lot of you are using substitutions for "you", "why", "to", and etc.

FUCKING STOP.

y shud i stop? internet substitutions are meant 2 b used on the internet. if u'r so annoyed, then get off teh net n00b >_> lololo!!!!1

rofl!!! jus jking!! ^_^

[Astronopolis]

This thread used to be intellectual and interesting, now its deteriorated into something completey retarded and gay. Thanks guys, you're all assholes.

[Munsu]

No problem..

When I find something that you've actually contributed to this thread, I'll take your allegations more seriously... all I see from you is a:

"lol cunning linguist cunnilingus"

Way to make this thread more intellectual and interesting...

[KitKat]

I'm not generally bothered by internet short forms, but when they are used excessively in a single post, I admit that I get annoyed trying to read it. Just on a side note, I've been playing a lot of Guild Wars lately. Internet short forms are rampant there. When I need to find some random people to do a quest with me, I look at the way they type first. I only quest with people who type in complete sentences and have good spelling and grammar. People who take the time to communicate clearly in regular conversation are more likely to communicate clearly in a mission and will show good teamwork and strategy skills. I'm sure there are lots of people who use internet short forms and are fabulous players, but it's always a gamble because I never know if they're going to be an asset or a hindrance to the team. However, I've never had a bad experience playing with someone who types well.