Who is really the STRONGEST

[kAi]

What about Amaterasu (God of the Sun)? Itachi made it look like its WAY powerful than Tsukuyomi (God of the Moon)?

I'm talking about the general Mangekyou which is the next level in Sharingan, a prerequisite for the Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu, not the actual techniques themselves.

If thats his ultimate move than Gai would've beaten him since he doesn't look at the opponent's eyes when the opponent is a sharingan user. Remember Gai looks at the person feet when he fights a sharingan user

It's not as simple as that, he may be able to fight Itachi without looking at his eye's, but Itachi still has the upper hand as he can look at Gai, and fight him, when Gai has to look at his feet. Being able to disable/beat the ultimate move doesn't guarantee you beat your opponent. Itachi would have an arsenal of techniques at his disposal from all over the world.

[Roko]

precisely, its not like the Mangekyou Sharingan is Itachi's only weapon, although it is his strongest, he doesn't need to use it all the time, since that would just be a waste of chakra

[Crows_Kill]

Good point kai- itachi dose have a sharingan after all- he can copy moves as well or better than kakashi, and we also allready know he's a taijutsu bad ass too. Theres literley no telling what other moves he has up his sleeves. If atsuki is as even as remotely strong as hinted at, keep in mind itachi has been around them for years- he's bound to have copied some damn powerful moves from them, even if most of them use bloodline limits, they would know other very powerful jutus as well.

What I wonder at is what has stopped atsuki from taking over as is? There must be some damn powerful nijas we havent seen yet that can counter them, otherwise they wouldnt be hunting for the demons to further increase their power. I don't think it would just be pure numbers or even the kage's only that woudl be stopping them- way too many assassination jutsus to be afraid of 5-6 kages. Lets not forget the 4th took on a whole army almost single handedly and won- and they hint that there were ninjas before him that were even more powerful. Imagine 9 of him at once, and you have 9 dead armies, at least.

[Roko]

akatsuki is pretty cautious in their movements, not to mention discreet. also, look at gaara's fight; gaara almost defeated that akatsuki member, he would have if he didn't need to protect the village. hmm..maybe that's why they want to capture all the demons, since they pose the most threat to akatsuki.

[Y]

Itachi didn't put his stated mission on a very high priority. He used Tsukiyomi on Sasuke instead of using it to defeat Jiraiya, and essentially wasted one on Kakashi earlier. Why? Who knows. None of the Akatsuki's moves make any sense if their stated goals are their real ones.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Probably Itachi wasted it on Kakashi because for some reason he likes to use it on Sharingan users.

I agree mostly with OP on current strength:

1) Jiraya
2) Itachi
3) Orochimaru
4) Tsunade

Though I would think Tsuande can handle Kisame (the shark guy).

Itachi is weaker than Jiraya in that Itachi admitted that there is no way they can take on Jiraya without dieing, which assumes he means ever, not just that day when he used up some of his power.

Remember, Jiraya nearly killed two Atasuki members with just one move (the frog stomach thing).

The only other ninja more power than Jiraya (shown so far), is a young Third Hokage.

Even the Fourth Hokage wouldn't be able to beat Jiraya, unless the Fourth used the sealing move of course, but thats more of a draw.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: CapsuleCorpJX
Probably Itachi wasted it on Kakashi because for some reason he likes to use it on Sharingan users.

I agree mostly with OP on current strength:

1) Jiraya
2) Itachi
3) Orochimaru
4) Tsunade

Though I would think Tsuande can handle Kisame (the shark guy).

Itachi is weaker than Jiraya in that Itachi admitted that there is no way they can take on Jiraya without dieing, which assumes he means ever, not just that day when he used up some of his power.

Remember, Jiraya nearly killed two Atasuki members with just one move (the frog stomach thing).

The only other ninja more power than Jiraya (shown so far), is a young Third Hokage.

Even the Fourth Hokage wouldn't be able to beat Jiraya, unless the Fourth used the sealing move of course, but thats more of a draw.

Sorry, but a lot of your points are very incorrect.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Sorry, but a lot of your points are very incorrect.

Like what?

I hate when people like you just say "your wrong" and show nothing to prove me wrong, or even tell me which points.

[Lithonite]

this thread has been written time and tme again- thoose of you who keep thinking Oro said Itachi was stronger, please dont rely on crap translations. What was actually written in many scntilation was "cant" vs "not allowed to"

Since we have been shown time and time again strength in Naruo universe is not linear( granted the diffrence between a genn and a jounin is clear regaurdless). discerning who is "strongest" when talking about the higher lvl's of fighters and jutsu'

he goes a for instance- Sakura, and Chyao ba-sama were able to defeat sasori due to Sakura'smdical training. in that situation kakashi, or gai would be deadif they got as much as scraped. and Both of them could clearly own Sakura. Not linear power curve

No memberof Akatsuki, can go after naruto alone if Jiraiya is with him( they admitted this, not subject to faulty translation due to manner in which it was said ), same goes with Orochimaru.

In order for Akatsuki to defeat thoose 2 in particular requires they all mobilize @ one time( this does not mean that anyone of them could not yield a draw alone fighting either one of them- however i think their objective is to be ableto leave the fight alive ).

We dont have any idea of Tsunade's fighting strength outside of her fight with a handicapped Orochimaru. We havent really seen her fight. however we do know she was able to train the pathetic Sakura to be a forced to be recond with, while jugglling her duties as Hokage.

We dont know what is required tobe a member of akatsuki, other than a "gang style" "jump in" but we do know Jiraiya revered them as "someone like me" (which more closly translates to someone at my rank/lvl but sounds wierd in translation.) we do know they are stronger than your standard jounin.

we probubly would have a better

[elmojo]

1. Danzou
2. The rest

[heero]

Team Gai owns all

The End.

[Carnage]

Originally posted by: heero
Team Gai owns all

The End.

Crappy Sequal: Kakashi owns Team Gai

[Crows_Kill]

Stoop, thats one reason I don't buy in to the whole itachi was just tired argument. Either Itachi really thought he could not beat jirai, at what ever cost, or he had other motives for delaying a second attempt.

Maybe the fact that at that time, naruto did not use the kyubi in the fight meant they saw the threat of the kyubi as being less than they thought as previously suggested by roko.
Or maybe if my theory plays out, they knew jirai was on alert and their chances of succesfuly kidnapping him went down the tubes, but then again jirai allrady knew atsuki was looking for naruto, so thats not the best explanation. Maybe itachis just wanted to ditch that diaper kisami before returning and he never got the chance?

One thing they didnt mention after that until recently was atsuks attempts to capture teh other demons. I can't believe they has 2 1/2 years of failed atempts at grabbing them. Infighting in atsuki maybe? Or mabe the timing of the attempt had something to do with oro's need to change bodies- hence the timing of the recent kidnapping of gara.

Any way, thats getting a little off topic- the question comes back to who is the strongest. I still think we haven't seen anything close to the best from itachi, kakashi, or gai, or even any of the sanin, except maybe for oro, but he's a tricky bastard so you never know.

the next stroy arc of the story should answer alot of these questions, lets just hope it doesnt develope into a my lvl 3 trumps your lvl 2 fight, or whose inner demon has the more tails.

[Crows_Kill]

Y's got a point too- their reasoning makes no sense as is, unless they are not serious about their own goals or they are totaly incompotent, which either way makes them a joke, which they do not appear to be. Maybe they're not as organized as we've beem led to believe and they act more individualy in 2 man groups with little or no communication between them, like splinter cells of terrorists groups, so as not to compromise security.

If the story continues with the atsuki plot at the current pace, we're bound to see much more of them very soon. Maybe they intentionaly mistate their goals in order to confuse their eneimies. Or kishimoto is suffering from lucas-itis and is making it up as he goes along, which i truly hope is not the case.

[SK]

1. itachi
2. oro/ jiraiya
3. tsunade ( the three may be equal now, we dont know, but ill list her below for now)
4. kakashi
5. kisame

[Hakeem_21]

1-Jiraya-Itachi
2.Tsunade-Oro
3.Kakashi
4.Kisame

This is just a geuss of what we have seen so far.


And to the people think that Itachi kan beat Jiraya easy then why didnt he comeback as soon as he had recovered. Cause he knew that Jiraya expects them and he know he cant win for sure.

[NewTaxes]

I really don't think Kisame should be rated so low. He is a mist ninja with a sword that basicly seals off chakra. Maybe it's because he looks like an aquatic animal that people don't like him.

[SK]

Originally posted by: NewTaxes
I really don't think Kisame should be rated so low. He is a mist ninja with a sword that basicly seals off chakra. Maybe it's because he looks like an aquatic animal that people don't like him.

i rated kisame below kakashi because kisame was taken aback when he heard that kakshi has beaten zabuza. kisame was one of the swordsmen of the mist, so we can infer that he is around, maybe a little above the strength of zabuza, who kakashi beat. i dont think he would have been shocked if he knew zabuza was way weaker than him.

[Hakeem_21]

I like Kisame he looks very speciel with his fish face but he isnt as good as Jiraya and co. I only rate Kakashi higher cause we havent seen much of Kisame's skills.

[Kineda]

No-one can really make an argument because it would be based entirely on speculation and conjecture. However its fun to try and work out the possibilities.

Currently Itachi is at the top - but only ever so slightly above the Sannin.

Akutsuki groups of 2's seems to have a Master/Apprentice type relationships in terms of power. (Itachi > Kisame / Sasori > Deidaro) The Masters are at or slightly below Sannin level from what we have seen (except Itachi)

The Apprentice's seem to be at Kakashi and Mito Gai's level - Deidaro would have been bitch slapped by kakashi or Gai.