Naruto Shippuuden Episode 205 [Canon]

[DarthEnderX]

Exactl how reliant is Naruto on the kyuubi's chakra now though? The 4th redid the seal, to technically he should be able to reap more rewards from it without having it control him back on the lower levels, but with Sage mode and all that now, it doesn't seem like he'll need it.

Sage mode required a heap of your own chakra reserve to be effective so that the natural chakra doesn't take over your own, and the frogs couldn't help him out in gathering it because the fox was in the way. That all seems to suggest that Naruto himself is now pretty much fine without the fox.

Well, considering even with Sage mode, he'd have lost against Pain without his usual Ninetails freakout...and the guys he fights are probably only going to get stronger as the series goes on, I doubt he'll ever be able to afford to get rid of it, unless it's the very end of the series.

I think it's more likely he'll just end up learning to control it better. All this talk lately about how Killer Bee is like the perfect Jinchuuriki and how he gets along with the Eighttails makes me think they need to have that guy train Naruto.

I think the Fox still provides him with some chakra reserves and healing. And I'm guessing the 10-tails body is at the center of the moon and the Sage did what Pain did trapping the Fox but on a much huger scale.

That seems like a fairly safe assumption. I didn't think Madara meant the Tentail's body literally BECAME the moon.

I'm guessing some poor minor continent somewhere had to be sacrificed in order to make the Tentail's tomb.

[Buffalobiian]

Well, considering even with Sage mode, he'd have lost against Pain without his usual Ninetails freakout...and the guys he fights are probably only going to get stronger as the series goes on, I doubt he'll ever be able to afford to get rid of it, unless it's the very end of the series.

Only issue here is that since the beginning of Shippuuden, Naruto's whole basis was to never use the fox's chakra. The seal was redone so the fox can't sneek its way out, but if it's just the same seal it'll weaken over the next 16 years again. Naruto took the Sage mode route since he needed a chakra source that he can control. If it's sheer chakra he needed, the Kyuubi has plenty.

I think it's more likely he'll just end up learning to control it better. All this talk lately about how Killer Bee is like the perfect Jinchuuriki and how he gets along with the Eighttails makes me think they need to have that guy train Naruto.

I think it's more the partnership between the beast and the host, more than anything. Killer Bee's octopus could actually talk to him and lend him power without trying to take over him. They're like best buds. In comparison, all the kyuubi ever wanted was for Naruto to rip off its seal. Rather than training, I'd say a more apt term would be taming (if that's even possible).

[DarthEnderX]

Only issue here is that since the beginning of Shippuuden, Naruto's whole basis was to never use the fox's chakra. The seal was redone so the fox can't sneek its way out, but if it's just the same seal it'll weaken over the next 16 years again. Naruto took the Sage mode route since he needed a chakra source that he can control. If it's sheer chakra he needed, the Kyuubi has plenty.

I think your overestimating what the 4th did in Naruto's head. I seemed to me that he just closed the seal to end that rampage, he didn't recast the seal like he did originally. It's in the same state now that it was before he lost control fighting Pain.

The simple fact is, Sage Mode chakra wasn't enough to beat Pain on it's own, it's probably not going to be enough to beat Madara, or Sasuke by the time Naruto fights him again. And when Naruto has to access the Kyuubi's power again, the seal will break down again unless he does something about it in the meantime.

The only way I can see Naruto losing the Ninetails is if this course of events happens:

Madara collects all nine beasts. Naruto somehow survives the extraction. Madara awakens the Tentails. Madara is defeated before he can Seal the Tentails. Naruto seals the Tentails inside himself to stop it.

I think it's more the partnership between the beast and the host, more than anything. Killer Bee's octopus could actually talk to him and lend him power without trying to take over him. They're like best buds. In comparison, all the kyuubi ever wanted was for Naruto to rip off its seal. Rather than training, I'd say a more apt term would be taming (if that's even possible).

Well that's what I mean by training. That Killer Bee would teach him how to communicate with the Kyuubi and they could maybe create a similar relationship.

You seem to be implying that Bee gets along with Eighttails because Eighttails is a cool guy while Kyuubi is a dickhole. I was under the impression that all the Tailed Beasts were dickholes originally. Eighttails is only cool now because Bee has taken the time to forge a relationship with it.