In the absence of any other reliable method, how do you want us to judge these things?Originally Posted by Kraco
So the Spiders are stronger than Pitou because...what then? Your feels?
I think it's highly unlikely that Netero was even releasing his Nen when Killua was talking to him.
Killua was scared shitless. I won't overly much blame Netero & Co for taking his words with a grain of salt. The world of nen is full of monsters, was even before these ants, and if you let them scare you, you have already lost a lot, like the arrogant dude said. It's a different thing letting fear help to better judge your options, that is, to be careful, but it's another thing if you start to view someone as impossible to defeat by anyone. If you don't believe you can defeat the opponent, your efficiency is sure to drop drastically.
Exactly. Though we have no reason to assume they'd have died, especially both of them. Like I've been saying since a couple of pages ago, Kite had been steadily underestimating the ants due to arrogance. That ended up compromising his own mission. Yes, the mission he deemed so important yet sacrificied to, possibly, save Gon & Killua. How is that not amateurish? He didn't go all out against the opponent, his intel was lacking yet that didn't make him more careful but careless instead, he didn't concentrate fully on the main objective, he got distracted, he got himself killed(?). An amateur if I have ever seen one.
I don't recall saying such a thing. I have only said Kite was a worse fighter than Spiders. Kite got defeated rather easily, it looks like, by Neferpitou, so there's plenty of gap between those two for all manner of power levels.
By results, perhaps? Sure, Neferpitou is strong, but I wouldn't put too much stock in the assessment of one kid scared witless. If Neferpitou ends up wiping its chitin ass with Netero & Gorillas, then sure, Killua happened to be right and that's it.
That's our main problem. Pitou defeated Kite, so you think Kite isn't that strong (because you think Pitou isn't that strong), and you'll only update that view when Pitou beats the the trio that just came (who you agree are strong).
Instead of seeing Kite's defeat as him being weak, we're saying Pitou's ability is through the roof. Rather than saying Pitou isn't strong because he's a newbie and comparing Kite against him, we should use Kite as the control, and have Pitou (our unknown variable) be compared to him instead. Kite is more or less a Nen master. Seeing as he knows Ging, I'd say he's seen monsters.. and Pitou is a monster.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Perhaps I haven't explained my stand unambiguously enough, but I mean to separate raw strength and combat strength from each other. I have no doubt Kite had plenty of raw strength (though obviously Pitou had even more), but for Kite that translated poorly to combat strength. I'd assume Pitou can do very little but fight. Combat strength is a complex thing and raw strength (aura output) isn't nearly everything that matters in my opinion, with DE proposing the opposite. Killua, for example, being an uber assassin, could probably have taken out plenty of weak nen users even before he discovered nen himself. Now that he has nen, those assassin skills aren't reduced obsolete at all, they are enhanced.
Kite made so many sad mistakes during this arc that I can hardly consider him a powerful fighter. Well, I admit I'm more than likely wrong throwing randomly in Phantom Troupe since that group had members who are far better at being thieves than fighters, but that doesn't exclude all of them. They are villains so most likely they wouldn't get distracted during fights like the good guys always do (generating no end of textbook scenes of the opponent accusing the hero of getting worried about their friends, not their own fight). I'm happy Pitou went all out and didn't waste time lecturing. Kite deserved it.
The ONLY mistake Kite made was get a little cocky and bring Gon and Killua along. In hindsight, I feel even that will have its benefit in the long run. For one thing, Killua's assessment of Neferpitou should come in handy for Netero and his sidekicks. They should be able to make adequate preparations to fight opponents that may well be stronger than them.
Also, let us not pretend that the Phantom Troupe aren't prone to moments of carelessness and downright arrogance. Do you not remember what happened to Uvogin? He walked into a head on confrontation with Kurapika without fully comprehending his opponent and ended up dead. Sure they wisened up after that (even then their leader got snatched under their noses), but that doesn't mean Uvo was in any way less of a fighter than the others. He was just the first one to walk into an unexpected situation and be taken by the element of surprise, exactly like Kite. I am sure Kite's demise will cause the other hunters to smarten up but that does not mean they are much 'better' than him as fighters.
Uvo was much more of a genuine fighter than most of the others (not counting Hisoka, naturally, and maybe the swordsman). His fight with Kurapika was a perfect duel they agreed on earlier when they met. There's absolutely nothing wrong about a fighter dying in a duel. After all, out of two, one must die, and they had nothing else going on (Kurapika's was a mission of slaying Spiders or die trying). I'm sure Uvo died as a happy man in that sense, even if the fight might have been a bit unsatisfactory; he was in chains unable to do much for the latter half of it, after all. But that's what nen fights are like. It's vastly different from Kite vs Pitou, because that was a fight with no meaning for Kite. Kite's goal was to slay the Queen before the King was born, or, I'd guess, slay both the Queen and the first and only King if it had been born already. The rest of the ants could and should have waited, being sterile.
You really are applying quite the double standard here. Is the purpose of the duel not to win it? Uvo failed at it, and made quite a few mistakes during the fight to lead him down that path. Further more, he walked squarely into a trap laid out by Kurapika due to his damaged pride of being caught by him in the first place. Kite set out to kill the queen but was stopped in his tracks by someone stronger than him that he had no way of predicting would show up. Even the omniscient audience is left confused by how someone as strong as Neferpitou was born in the first place, given that the queen hasn't really fed on a decent supply of nen users. Kite's mission had as much of a probability of failure as Uvo's duel with Kurapika. Both played the odds and failed, and somehow I am to believe that this demonstrates that Uvo is a better fighter than Kite?
Also, do you believe that Kite's death was somehow preventable if he had been alone? I don't think it would have turned out any differently. He still would have died at Pitou's hands since she was dead set on trying to kill him to test her strength. The only reason Gon and Killua escaped is because killing them would not have served that purpose.
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