Naruto Shippuuden 340

[Buffalobiian]

At the very least, I hope it's not at full power. Like it's weakened until it can get the REAL Eight and Nine Tails. Which would give Naruto a chance to actually win against it with only Kurama.

I thought the beasts and Naruto did had some secret strategy going on that would allow him to reclaim all the beasts or something. They didn't specify that exactly, but that's what I thought their little meeting was actually about aside from learning names.

Madara's situation is just BS. Where did he even learn that jutsu handsign from? Why didn't he do that until now? Kabuto could have reclaimed control over Madara at any time so it'd make sense to do it as soon as possible as far as risks are concerned.

It freaks me out whenever I see Kabuto just standing there. It feels like he could move at any moment.

[DarthEnderX]

Why didn't he do that until now?

Probably for the same reason Dan didn't use his Ghost jutsu till after he was freed. Because Kabuto was still in control.

The moment Kabuto released the Jutsu, Madara was free to do whatever he wanted, and just recast it on himself before he faded.


Oh yeah, they also confirmed that Reanimations have Unlimited chakra. No idea why, but it sucks that they do.

Now, more than ever, it doesn't make sense as to why Orochimaru went to so much trouble to switch bodies when he apparently already knew how to attain the ultimate state. Immortal, regenerating, unlimited chakra, and you can even use it on yourself so you aren't under anyone's control.

[Buffalobiian]

Now, more than ever, it doesn't make sense as to why Orochimaru went to so much trouble to switch bodies when he apparently already knew how to attain the ultimate state. Immortal, regenerating, unlimited chakra, and you can even use it on yourself so you aren't under anyone's control.

I assume that you keep regenerating to your previous form, so you can never really improve. You'd want to be "resurrected" at your strongest state. Plus, there's also the problem that you have to die first, which is... risky.

[DarthEnderX]

I assume that you keep regenerating to your previous form, so you can never really improve.

I don't know why you wouldn't be able to learn new jutsu.

And as Madara has shown, you can even gain access to new Kekkei Genkai by grafting DNA into your reanimated body.

Plus, there's also the problem that you have to die first, which is... risky.

Fair point. Though the benefits seems to outweigh the drawbacks.

[Kraco]

I like that he even has a lecture... in there. "This is why you shouldn't use forbidden jutsu recklessly."

And Tobi's really going to awaken the Ten Tails with just that little tentacle tip? That's disappointing. I mean, seriously, if that's all it takes to bring back the Ten Tails, they didn't really have to kill ANY of the Jinchuuriki in the first place.

Now, more than ever, it doesn't make sense as to why Orochimaru went to so much trouble to switch bodies when he apparently already knew how to attain the ultimate state. Immortal, regenerating, unlimited chakra, and you can even use it on yourself so you aren't under anyone's control.

I can only hope that lecture thing wasn't empty words but things will come back to bite both of their asses eventually. Because immortality with unlimited chakra is bullshit. If this story has any sense, Oro would have known that and not used it precisely for that reason. Of course he still has the technical weakness of becoming a slave if somebody sticks a kunai with a paper slip into his neck. But since that would kill a normal person, it's not really a weakness to speak of. However, Madara didn't have much choice, so he would have done it even if it carried some major flaw, like it should.

[DarthEnderX]

If this story has any sense, Oro would have known that and not used it precisely for that reason.

Except that we know for a fact that he didn't because Oro already reanimated someone that knew how to use the jutsu.

I guess Oro is lucky he never had to release the jutsu before the 2nd was sealed away, or else the same thing would probably have happened with him as is happening with Madara.

Of course he still has the technical weakness of becoming a slave if somebody sticks a kunai with a paper slip into his neck.

Does he though? So far, the only person we've ever seen do that was the person who reanimated them in the first place. Will that technique even work for someone besides the jutsu caster? And if not, then it wouldn't work on Madara.

[Kraco]

Does he though? So far, the only person we've ever seen do that was the person who reanimated them in the first place. Will that technique even work for someone besides the jutsu caster? And if not, then it wouldn't work on Madara.

Yeah, I wasn't altogether serious. It's such a bullshit no jutsu that it has practically no rules or limits, other than those the plot happens to randomly require at any time. I still would want to be entertained by an explanation of where the unlimited chakra to the zombies is coming from. But I doubt Kishimoto even realised how silly that is when he was writing it.

[Artris]

Except that we know for a fact that he didn't because Oro already reanimated someone that knew how to use the jutsu.

I guess Oro is lucky he never had to release the jutsu before the 2nd was sealed away, or else the same thing would probably have happened with him as is happening with Madara.

Does he though? So far, the only person we've ever seen do that was the person who reanimated them in the first place. Will that technique even work for someone besides the jutsu caster? And if not, then it wouldn't work on Madara.

Kabuto was pretty proud of one big difference between his jutsu and Oro's: Oro killed the personality of his reanimations. Maybe now we know why.

Oh and... from now on I'm calling Madara Mumra. It seems more fitting. All we need are a couple rolls of toilet paper!

[DarthEnderX]

Kabuto was pretty proud of one big difference between his jutsu and Oro's: Oro killed the personality of his reanimations. Maybe now we know why.

Which wouldn't have helped because, as Lord Mu showed, even the ones whose personalities get killed still regain control one the jutsu is released.

As long as he doesn't pull of something really evil for no good reason, I'll see him as an anti-hero.

Are you being serious with this?

Do you know how many people Sasuke has murdered now with very little provocation?

Sasuke has had zero redeeming qualities for a long time now. He's not an anti-hero. He's a villain protagonist.

[Kraco]

Are you being serious with this?

Do you know how many people Sasuke has murdered now with very little provocation?

Sasuke has had zero redeeming qualities for a long time now. He's not an anti-hero. He's a villain protagonist.

Sure he has done in some. Because he's not a Naruto style ninja. He's the old-fashioned type and has poor tolerance for anybody standing in his way. Which is exactly why he might fight against Madara, for example.

Let's, for a thought experiment, reverse the setting a bit. If Konoha had been depicted as a village of villains from the beginning of the story and Sasuke had been somebody who escaped from it to train elsewhere to later come back to destroy the place, in the process removing some more or less associated people, wouldn't he then look very much like an anti-hero? Because that his point of view in this story. Like they say, one man's hero is another man's villain. Like I said earlier, Sasuke hasn't shown any questionable ambition beyond removing Konoha, which is an important factor when judging his character.

[Artris]

Which wouldn't have helped because, as Lord Mu showed, even the ones whose personalities get killed still regain control one the jutsu is released.

Not the same. Kabuto used a jutsu to remotely control Mu, he didn't slip a dagger in his back to kill his personality (Madara even called it something like "Remote Animation Transmission" or something equally silly).